Dodgers aggressively pursuing Alexei

[LittleHurt05]

Phil Rodgers actually hits the entire article dead on IMO.

5 Things the Sox Should Do Next

 

There's no way Phil Rogers actually wrote that. It's all way too logical and makes too much sense.

[caulfield12]

I actually agree with all 5 points from Rogers.

 

What's Maeda's ceiling? I thought I read he was a back of the rotation type guy?

 

 

Anywhere from a 2-4, but most project 4ish....because of the lack of velocity and nasty movement on his pitches like Tanaka.

 

Plus the usual concerns about his frame and elevated pitch counts/workload.

 

On the plus side, scouts have had a chance to watch him more closely during the MLB All-Stars tour in Japan this week.

[Lillian]

There's no way Phil Rogers actually wrote that. It's all way too logical and makes too much sense.

 

Maybe Rogers has been reading our posts,..........again.

[LDF]

That's good except you need a replacement for Rodon as he will only pitch 165-175 innings this year.

 

and to have avail in case of injury.

[LDF]

I actually agree with all 5 points from Rogers.

 

What's Maeda's ceiling? I thought I read he was a back of the rotation type guy?

 

i don't esp #1 and #4.

 

1. i would like to see him in spring training and see how he does

first.

 

if the brass and coop says he can do, fine, if not, let him develop more

in the minors. esp in the first 2 or 3 weeks.

 

4. Maeda may be a #3-4 type of pitcher but with the sox rotation, maybe

a #4-5. then at what cost?

 

i rather still see if there is a better priced pitcher in the fa's or trade.

[2nd_city_saint787]

I actually agree with all 5 points from Rogers.

 

What's Maeda's ceiling? I thought I read he was a back of the rotation type guy?

 

Based on what I've read he sounds a lot like his former teammate Hisashi Iwakuma stuff wise. Statistically he was better in Japan though.

 

I've liked him a lot since first reading about him. Even if he isn't Iwakuma, who got Cy Young and MVP votes last year, I still think he can be a well above average #3 like we need him to be.

 

 

 

 

[LDF]

Based on what I've read he sounds a lot like his former teammate Hisashi Iwakuma stuff wise. Statistically he was better in Japan though.

 

I've liked him a lot since first reading about him. Even if he isn't Iwakuma, who got Cy Young and MVP votes last year, I still think he can be a well above average #3 like we need him to be.

 

it is all subjective, the real question, at what cost?

[2nd_city_saint787]

it is all subjective, the real question, at what cost?

 

I'm guessing somewhere in the 5/75-5/90 range. That's somewhere between 5 and 7 mill less a year than Tanaka got which sounds about right to me.

[southsider2k5]

There's no way Phil Rogers actually wrote that. It's all way too logical and makes too much sense.

 

Any Curtis Granderson mention?

[beautox]

There's no way Phil Rogers actually wrote that. It's all way too logical and makes too much sense.

That was my first take as well but going through his points.

 

I think with Rodon we should either break him in the rotation at the start of the season or wait six weeks.

 

With regards to Alexei I'm not opposed to moving him, but I would prefer the front office move him for prospects like Gary Sanchez & Severino or Plawecki & Nimmo that fit our organizational need and would be ready in the very near future.

 

It appears based on what is being reported that LaRoche is going to cost 20M+, I would prefer Hahn go after Morales.

 

I've been a long time proponent of signing Maeda and think he fits very nicely with our organization, 26 year old mid rotation starter that offers the most upside and ROI on the market and takes a lot of pressure off of Montas/Danish/Adams developing into a starter.

 

I like the idea of a bad contract swap for Papelbon theres a 2.4mil difference but I feel we have low level prospects that could smooth it out.

[Dick Allen]

I liked Morales over LaRoche myself, but LaRoche can play 1B and at this point, I don't think Morales can. So at least with LaRoche, you can have them both in the line up when Abreu is DHing, and he is probably going to have to DH probably a little more than occassionally with his physical issues.

[LDF]

I'm guessing somewhere in the 5/75-5/90 range. That's somewhere between 5 and 7 mill less a year than Tanaka got which sounds about right to me.

 

and do you think that is not an excessive amount.

 

pass.

[harfman77]

and do you think that is not an excessive amount.

 

pass.

 

Agree, based on the scouting reports I have seen, he has the kind of stuff that will play down in MLB. I think we hold on to the money and roster spot until Shohei Otani is posted.

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/internation...el-kenta-maeda/

[LDF]

Agree, based on the scouting reports I have seen, he has the kind of stuff that will play down in MLB. I think we hold on to the money and roster spot until Shohei Otani is posted.

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/internation...el-kenta-maeda/

oh..... nice!

[Bob Sacamano]

Sox are never going to sign anyone that makes the fans happy. Everyone will b*tch that whoever they sign is almost 30 (even though you don't see too many mid-20s players hit free agency) or b*tch about how much they're getting paid.

[2nd_city_saint787]

and do you think that is not an excessive amount.

 

pass.

 

Not really. But like you like to say it's all subjective.

 

He's 26, and if he can do what Iwakuma has done here then he's worth 15M a year. If we have to go to 18 a year 3M is chump change.

 

Iwakuma has similar stuff, worse numbers over seas, and has posted a 7.2 WAR the last 2 years. If 1 WAR = 3M Iwakuma has been worth 35M the last 2 years.

[Eminor3rd]

Iwakuma is awesome. If Maeda is like him, we should want him. That said, I'm not sure we have enough info to conclude they're similar enough to expect similar results.

[BlackSox13]

Agree, based on the scouting reports I have seen, he has the kind of stuff that will play down in MLB. I think we hold on to the money and roster spot until Shohei Otani is posted.

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/internation...el-kenta-maeda/

You want to hold on to the money for five more years? Will that money at least gain some interest while the Sox wait for Otani to be posted?

 

Anyway. Anyone know what's up with the link? I clicked it and it would appear the article is gone now. What were Rogers' suggestions?

Edited November 20, 2014 by StRoostifer

[2nd_city_saint787]

Iwakuma is awesome. If Maeda is like him, we should want him. That said, I'm not sure we have enough info to conclude they're similar enough to expect similar results.

 

From what I've read they're both 89-94 on their FB, both guys will throw any pitch (and they have a lot of em) at any time, both switch up speed and depths and of course both were teammates making the comp "natural."

 

Here's a good article with GIFs

 

http://www.crawfishboxes.com/2014/11/12/72...n-astros-fowler

 

The quotes about his velo kinda conflict with the reports from Ben Badler who had this to say...

 

"Maeda’s velocity was impressive, ranging from 90-94 mph and hitting 94 four times. In previous outings, he’s thrown anywhere from 87-94 mph, but he didn’t throw a fastball below 90 today and he spotted it well. Maeda pitched mostly off his four-seamer, though he mixed in a handful of two-seam fastballs with a little more armside run, too."

 

I really like him. I'd give him 5/90 without giving it a 2nd thought. There have been some reports of 6/120-130, which would make me pause and think, but with the payroll the way it is I think I'd have to consider it.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

You want to hold on to the money for five more years? Will that money at least gain some interest while the Sox wait for Otani to be posted?

 

Anyway. Anyone know what's up with the link? I clicked it and it would appear the article is gone now. What were Rogers' suggestions?

Works for me . Try it again http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/101...-to-do-for-2015

[BlackSox13]

Works for me . Try it again http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/101...-to-do-for-2015

Thank you sir. The link you posted popped up but the first one kept giving me an error. Weird.

[BlackSox13]

1- Rodon will be ready when he shows he's ready and when that happens, that's when he will make his debut.

 

2- Definitely be open minded about Alexei. Don't give him away but don't covet him to the point to where he holds unrealistic value, which I think for at least some has already happened.

 

3- I like the idea of LaRoche but I like the idea of have having four starting outfielders rotating through the DH spot much much more.

 

4- I still say f*** no to Maeda. I just don't trust his long term durability. Spend that money elsewhere.

 

5- I like the idea of a veteran closer. Someone posted last night that Merkin of all people suggested Danks for Papelbon. f*** it, let's do it Philly!

 

 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

From what I've read they're both 89-94 on their FB, both guys will throw any pitch (and they have a lot of em) at any time, both switch up speed and depths and of course both were teammates making the comp "natural."

 

Here's a good article with GIFs

 

http://www.crawfishboxes.com/2014/11/12/72...n-astros-fowler

 

The quotes about his velo kinda conflict with the reports from Ben Badler who had this to say...

 

"Maeda’s velocity was impressive, ranging from 90-94 mph and hitting 94 four times. In previous outings, he’s thrown anywhere from 87-94 mph, but he didn’t throw a fastball below 90 today and he spotted it well. Maeda pitched mostly off his four-seamer, though he mixed in a handful of two-seam fastballs with a little more armside run, too."

 

I really like him. I'd give him 5/90 without giving it a 2nd thought. There have been some reports of 6/120-130, which would make me pause and think, but with the payroll the way it is I think I'd have to consider it.

I don't think those reports from Badler are conflicting at all . I believe there were pitch or innings limitations in the Japan/MLB series that just concluded. Knowing he wouldn't go deep into the game he upped how hard he threw his FB ever so slightly to consistently hit 90 and above.

[LDF]

 

here it is, and this will be my last negative opinion on him for several days.

 

$15 per. on an unproven pitcher. is there going to be a posting fee?

 

Edinson Volquez - 2 yrs, $18 mil

Carlos Villanueva - 2/3 $7 mil per

Ryan Vogelsong even him for 1 yr

 

much better with a track record.

 

 

[BlackSox13]

here it is, and this will be my last negative opinion on him for several days.

 

$15 per. on an unproven pitcher. is there going to be a posting fee?

 

Edinson Volquez - 2 yrs, $18 mil

Carlos Villanueva - 2/3 $7 mil per

Ryan Vogelsong even him for 1 yr

 

much better with a track record.

Agreed, especially about Volquez. Volquez makes much more sense and won't require the long commitment that Maeda does. Plus, as you said, Volquez is MLB proven. Good call LDF.