2nd_city_saint787 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Didn't realize/remember Lexi being that bad post May. Yikes. Looking at his splits he had 3 months where he hit .235 or worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 21, 2014 -> 03:53 PM) Sooo what's the alternative? You let him play out his contract and watch him decline like all SS's do in their 30's and watch him walk? Honest question....is it a sentimental thing with Alexei? He's been here for a while so people don't want to see him go? Or is it that people think we are gong to compete next year? Go back and look at that list of MLB SS's who started for teams during the time Jeter was the starting SS for NYY. That is why people are afraid to let Alexei walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Go back and look at that list of MLB SS's who started for teams during the time Jeter was the starting SS for NYY. That is why people are afraid to let Alexei walk. Thank God we have Semien to save the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Nov 21, 2014 -> 04:07 PM) Didn't realize/remember Lexi being that bad post May. Yikes. Looking at his splits he had 3 months where he hit .235 or worse. He started off red hot, he had to have that cool down period where his numbers came back to what was expected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 21, 2014 -> 06:39 PM) He started off red hot, he had to have that cool down period where his numbers came back to what was expected I don't think anyone HAS to put up bad numbers for months at a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 21, 2014 -> 09:53 PM) Sooo what's the alternative? You let him play out his contract and watch him decline like all SS's do in their 30's and watch him walk? Honest question....is it a sentimental thing with Alexei? He's been here for a while so people don't want to see him go? Or is it that people think we are gong to compete next year? you asked a good question. a lot of replies came back that were equally good. for me I would like to give you what I think. 1. he still got skills for a difficult position. 2. the Cuban factor which many really don't seem to understand. 3. maybe there is a little sentimental value, but very little. 4. KW being at the helm and seeing this team get screwed on many trades. 5. the value of the rtn is really enticing, it is like holding a great hand in poker and waiting for the last card to flip. 6. finally being in the driver seat and saying if you don't want to play, screw you. these are my opinions only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 21, 2014 -> 05:31 PM) Go back and look at that list of MLB SS's who started for teams during the time Jeter was the starting SS for NYY. That is why people are afraid to let Alexei walk. Who cares? Is there a prize at the end of the season for having a good SS that I'm not aware of? Last time I checked it's all about having the best overall team and the W column. And Alexei isn't Jeter, not even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 21, 2014 -> 05:18 PM) Who cares? Is there a prize at the end of the season for having a good SS that I'm not aware of? Last time I checked it's all about having the best overall team and the W column. And Alexei isn't Jeter, not even close. The prize for having a good SS, is way bigger than having prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Nov 21, 2014 -> 04:50 PM) I don't think anyone HAS to put up bad numbers for months at a time. Well you go ahead and let me know when you find someone that can maintain what he was doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 21, 2014 -> 06:19 PM) The prize for having a good SS, is way bigger than having prospects. Got ya, so that's why we've been winning so many games with Alexei....oh wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 21, 2014 -> 07:26 PM) Well you go ahead and let me know when you find someone that can maintain what he was doing I'm not saying he has to keep hitting .342 every month but I'm saying I don't think the splits have to be so extreme. He had 1 ridiculous month, 2 goodish months, and 3 awful months. He's a good player, but I do think we may be over valuing him a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 21, 2014 -> 05:29 PM) Got ya, so that's why we've been winning so many games with Alexei....oh wait. Please try to use this argument in a serious manner in defense of trading away Adam Eaton, Chris Sale, Jose Abreu, and Jose Quintana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 21, 2014 -> 11:29 PM) Got ya, so that's why we've been winning so many games with Alexei....oh wait. there is huge problems at other part of the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 21, 2014 -> 11:18 PM) Who cares? Is there a prize at the end of the season for having a good SS that I'm not aware of? Last time I checked it's all about having the best overall team and the W column. And Alexei isn't Jeter, not even close. and on the flip side, is there a prize for having a exceptional hitting 1b? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 21, 2014 -> 06:46 PM) Please try to use this argument in a serious manner in defense of trading away Adam Eaton, Chris Sale, Jose Abreu, and Jose Quintana. When any of those guys turn 33 and have only 2 years left with the team I will gladly do that for you. Until then you are comparing apples to.....skyscrapers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 21, 2014 -> 05:53 PM) When any of those guys turn 33 and have only 2 years left with the team I will gladly do that for you. Until then you are comparing apples to.....skyscrapers. No, we're comparing baseball players to baseball players. That is incredibly flawed logic that uses looks at correlation and assumes causation, as in, Alexei Ramirez is the reason the White Sox have not won. Frankly, that's got as much base in fact and logic as "they haven't won anything of significance since they started wearing their red pinstripe throwbacks or their 80s throwbacks." Because it's true - they haven't won s*** since wearing those uniforms - so that must be why they've been losing, right? If you had said this instead: QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 21, 2014 -> 05:53 PM) The White Sox should trade Alexei because he's When any of those guys turn 33 and has [sic] only 2 years left with the team and I do not believe they will be competitive enough to justify Alexei's cost during that time frame I will gladly do that for you. Until then you are comparing apples to.....skyscrapers. there would have been no argument from me whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 21, 2014 -> 06:49 PM) there is huge problems at other part of the team. Exactly! And how does a team get better? You either A) sign/trade for veterans with inflated contracts that you will inevitably regret, or B) you trade the veterans you have for more talent that can help you in the future. Do you really want to travel down path A again? Pretty sure we've seen that same song and dance before with KW in control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 22, 2014 -> 12:08 AM) Exactly! And how does a team get better? You either A) sign/trade for veterans with inflated contracts that you will inevitably regret, or B) you trade the veterans you have for more talent that can help you in the future. Do you really want to travel down path A again? Pretty sure we've seen that same song and dance before with KW in control. I am more than sure the sox brass has laid out a plan. we are not privy to it. if this team was already stacked and the sox needed a piece to make that team better, then yes. trade someone who can get that player. however do not trade from weakness. if the team is in rebuilding and have a few outstanding player and the clock is ticking, make fa's addition or trade without touching the nucleus of that sudden success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 21, 2014 -> 06:58 PM) No, we're comparing baseball players to baseball players. That is incredibly flawed logic that uses looks at correlation and assumes causation, as in, Alexei Ramirez is the reason the White Sox have not won. Frankly, that's got as much base in fact and logic as "they haven't won anything of significance since they started wearing their red pinstripe throwbacks or their 80s throwbacks." Because it's true - they haven't won s*** since wearing those uniforms - so that must be why they've been losing, right? If you had said this instead: there would have been no argument from me whatsoever. That's obviously what I meant and have stated several times in this thread already. I like Alexei and he's been a good player for us, of course he's not the reason this franchise hasn't won anything. But as you alluded to, if you're realistic you realize he's most likely not going to be around when this team will be competing for a WS therefore making him an obvious trade candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 22, 2014 -> 12:24 AM) That's obviously what I meant and have stated several times in this thread already. I like Alexei and he's been a good player for us, of course he's not the reason this franchise hasn't won anything. But as you alluded to, if you're realistic you realize he's most likely not going to be around when this team will be competing for a WS therefore making him an obvious trade candidate. I know you didn't mean this for me, but I am going to say something here. I believe the sox intentions is to compete this yr and I believe the sox do have the horses to make it to the playoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 21, 2014 -> 07:27 PM) I know you didn't mean this for me, but I am going to say something here. I believe the sox intentions is to compete this yr and I believe the sox do have the horses to make it to the playoff. And your're certainly entitled to your opinion, nor am I here to tell you that you're wrong. I'm just a guy stating his opinion after all. And It's my belief that this team truly has a very bright future with a great nucleus to build around. I just think the front office has to be patient and see this rebuild all the way through. I want this team to be building for multiple WS run starting in '17, not hoping for a wild card spot in '15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 22, 2014 -> 01:14 AM) And your're certainly entitled to your opinion, nor am I here to tell you that you're wrong. I'm just a guy stating his opinion after all. And It's my belief that this team truly has a very bright future with a great nucleus to build around. I just think the front office has to be patient and see this rebuild all the way through. I want this team to be building for multiple WS run starting in '17, not hoping for a wild card spot in '15. I think overall, we hope for the same except of the yr in contending. ref to the front office, I think they want to assemble the talent quickly with out damaging the talent base and for just trade Alexei for the sake of trading him. if the right deal comes around, find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 21, 2014 -> 12:11 PM) i really hope you didn't take that the wrong way. i am not too good with the King's language. peace. sox in 2015 It's all good! - hawk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Who on the Sox is going to be expensive the next 3 years? Any core guys? Not really. I say sign as many expensive 3-4 year deals to compete while we wait for the Anderson/Montas/Danish/Hawkins class of reinforcements. Then these expensive old guys will be gone and we can afford to start paying Eaton, Avi, jose, Q and sale while the new wave is cheap. We're set up nicely. Spend the cash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCangelosi Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Who is going to take over at SS if we trade Alexei? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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