LDF Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Nov 22, 2014 -> 12:08 PM) Who is going to take over at SS if we trade Alexei? if the sox do that trade, they may be hoping for that 1 yr stop gap, until Anderson is ready or worst case, that great defensive ss in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 22, 2014 -> 07:00 AM) if the sox do that trade, they may be hoping for that 1 yr stop gap, until Anderson is ready or worst case, that great defensive ss in the minors. I had written earlier, that Rondon could conceivably be pushed up to the Majors, because of his defensive prowess. Defense translates at higher levels. If a SS has great hands, instincts and the arm, there is no reason he can't employ those attributes equally at the Big League level. If anything, the better groomed infields might actually improve his performance. The other point I made was that with a lineup featuring Eaton, Abreu, LaRoche, Kemp, Garcia, and Gillaspie, I think the Sox could handle a weak hitting SS. Moreover, I've been intrigued by the fact that Rondon only recently started switch hitting. I believe that it was "Northsider72" who pointed that out. Rondon has actually been pretty good batting right handed. It might interesting to see what would happen if he just went back to hitting exclusively from the right side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 22, 2014 -> 01:13 PM) I had written earlier, that Rondon could conceivably be pushed up to the Majors, because of his defensive prowess. Defense translates at higher levels. If a SS has great hands, instincts and the arm, there is no reason he can't employ those attributes equally at the Big League level. If anything, the better groomed infields might actually improve his performance. The other point I made was that with a lineup featuring Eaton, Abreu, LaRoche, Kemp, Garcia, and Gillaspie, I think the Sox could handle a weak hitting SS. Moreover, I've been intrigued by the fact that Rondon only recently started switch hitting. I believe that it was "Northsider72" who pointed that out. Rondon has actually been pretty good batting right handed. It might interesting to see what would happen if he just went back to hitting exclusively from the right side. defensively he can handle it in the majors now. old school, dang i am starting to say like everyone's grandfather, mlb always said the 2 key positions that most team can handle with a weak bat is SS #1 and Cat #2. the 2 most important position outside pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 22, 2014 -> 07:13 AM) I had written earlier, that Rondon could conceivably be pushed up to the Majors, because of his defensive prowess. Defense translates at higher levels. If a SS has great hands, instincts and the arm, there is no reason he can't employ those attributes equally at the Big League level. If anything, the better groomed infields might actually improve his performance. The other point I made was that with a lineup featuring Eaton, Abreu, LaRoche, Kemp, Garcia, and Gillaspie, I think the Sox could handle a weak hitting SS. Moreover, I've been intrigued by the fact that Rondon only recently started switch hitting. I believe that it was "Northsider72" who pointed that out. Rondon has actually been pretty good batting right handed. It might interesting to see what would happen if he just went back to hitting exclusively from the right side. Please stop with this suggestion. Rondon would be so bad offensively that it would negate any value his defense would provide. On top of that, you'd be stunting his development significantly. Just an all-around horrible idea when you consider short-term and long-term goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 22, 2014 -> 01:39 PM) Please stop with this suggestion. Rondon would be so bad offensively that it would negate any value his defense would provide. On top of that, you'd be stunting his development significantly. Just an all-around horrible idea when you consider short-term and long-term goals. if one was counting on for his offense. but you do have a point of stunting his development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 22, 2014 -> 07:39 AM) Please stop with this suggestion. Rondon would be so bad offensively that it would negate any value his defense would provide. On top of that, you'd be stunting his development significantly. Just an all-around horrible idea when you consider short-term and long-term goals. Exactly. If you think Leury Garcia can't hit, Rondon in the major leagues now, would make Leury look like Tony Gwynn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 22, 2014 -> 07:39 AM) Please stop with this suggestion. Rondon would be so bad offensively that it would negate any value his defense would provide. On top of that, you'd be stunting his development significantly. Just an all-around horrible idea when you consider short-term and long-term goals. Alright, I'll "stop". I realize that it is not a suggestion that fits with conventional wisdom on this board. Although I don't quite understand how regular playing time in the big Leagues "stunts" a player's development. And, I do believe that Rondon is arguably the best defensive SS in the entire Minor Leagues. That said, whom do you recommend for SS, if Alexei is traded? Edited November 22, 2014 by Lillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 22, 2014 -> 01:57 PM) Alright, I'll "stop". I realize that it is not a suggestion that fits with conventional wisdom on this board. Although I don't quite understand how regular playing time in the big Leagues "stunts" a player's development. And, I do believe that Rondon is arguably the best defensive SS in the entire Minor Leagues. That said, whom do you recommend for SS, if Alexei is traded? I like what you wrote and I am on board with you. however let me answer this. a player will learn hitting when they are not facing A+ hitting every nite to the point of totally being out of their element. that is why minor league and developmental league were made to teach. majors in just the finishing school of learning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 22, 2014 -> 01:55 PM) Exactly. If you think Leury Garcia can't hit, Rondon in the major leagues now, would make Leury look like Tony Gwynn. what is more important, esp at ss, hitting of fielding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 22, 2014 -> 07:57 AM) Alright, I'll "stop". I realize that it is not a suggestion that fits with conventional wisdom on this board. Although I don't quite understand how regular playing time in the big Leagues "stunts" a player's development. And, I do believe that Rondon is arguably the best defensive SS in the entire Minor Leagues. That said, whom do you recommend for SS, if Alexei is traded? Semien or Sanchez. Both present much better alternatives to Rondon, even if they are defensive downgrades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 (edited) Despite being a finalist for the Gold Glove Alexei was pretty poor in every defensive metric you look at. -Fielding bible gave him a -10 rPM(+/-) runs saved - he had only a .734 defensive zone rating (he was in the .830's in his prime) - His UZR was -.7 (in the +10's in his prime) So honest question....given a natural slight decline due to age in Alexei would a platoon of Semien/Sanchez really be THAT much worse than Alexei next season? It's an honest question that you have to consider. Edited November 22, 2014 by TheFutureIsNear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 22, 2014 -> 02:58 PM) Semien or Sanchez. Both present much better alternatives to Rondon, even if they are defensive downgrades. no one can fault you, that is a nice opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 22, 2014 -> 02:59 PM) Despite being a finalist for the Gold Glove Alexei was pretty poor in every defensive metric you look at. -Fielding bible gave him a -10 rPM(+/-) runs saved - he had only a .734 defensive zone rating (he was in the .830's in his prime) - His UZR was -.7 (in the +10's in his prime) So honest question....given a natural slight decline due to age in Alexei would a platoon of Semien/Sanchez really be THAT much worse than Alexei next season? It's an honest question that you have to consider. and a very good question, esp if Alexei trade does goes down. the replacement as I said is already internal. esp if it is short term until Anderson is ready. no need to go outside the team via trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 21, 2014 -> 05:46 PM) Please try to use this argument in a serious manner in defense of trading away Adam Eaton, Chris Sale, Jose Abreu, and Jose Quintana. Yeah, 73 win guys. Trade em all for prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 21, 2014 -> 06:08 PM) Exactly! And how does a team get better? You either A) sign/trade for veterans with inflated contracts that you will inevitably regret, or B) you trade the veterans you have for more talent that can help you in the future. Do you really want to travel down path A again? Pretty sure we've seen that same song and dance before with KW in control. How do you get better? Not by making yourself worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 7h7 hours ago CHW continue to listen to offers for Alexei Ramirez because of the presence of Tim Anderson, who reached AA in '14: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Nov 22, 2014 -> 11:31 AM) Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 7h7 hours ago CHW continue to listen to offers for Alexei Ramirez because of the presence of Tim Anderson, who reached AA in '14: Could explain why the Sox put Saladino on the 40 man roster. I guess if the Sox traded Alexei, they would use one of Sanchez/ Semien/ Saladino to keep SS warm until Anderson was ready. Also shows the Sox have confidence in Anderson remaining at SS. Sounds like Hahn is entertaining a bit of a bidding war for Alexei. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 22, 2014 -> 12:41 PM) Could explain why the Sox put Saladino on the 40 man roster. I guess if the Sox traded Alexei, they would use one of Sanchez/ Semien/ Saladino to keep SS warm until Anderson was ready. Also shows the Sox have confidence in Anderson remaining at SS. Sounds like Hahn is entertaining a bit of a bidding war for Alexei. That actually does make some sense, they seemed insistent on playing Saladino at SS a lot last year and he was doing ok there before injury. If they do move Alexei, they would need Tyler around as at least a guy to hold the position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 22, 2014 -> 12:43 PM) That actually does make some sense, they seemed insistent on playing Saladino at SS a lot last year and he was doing ok there before injury. If they do move Alexei, they would need Tyler around as at least a guy to hold the position. His TJS was on the non-throwing elbow, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 22, 2014 -> 11:43 AM) That actually does make some sense, they seemed insistent on playing Saladino at SS a lot last year and he was doing ok there before injury. If they do move Alexei, they would need Tyler around as at least a guy to hold the position. Yeah, I wouldn't have thought much of it except for all the rumors swirling around a possible Alexei trade. Then the Saladino addition made more sense. I looked up Saladino and it looked like he improved his defense last year and was swinging a good bat before he went down for TJ. I'm just curious about how Saladino's throwing strength/accuracy will be. If the Sox are going to compete, they will need at least decent defense out of SS and up the middle as a whole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 (edited) I remember when Saladino got hurt that I believe Hahn was pretty disappointed. He is a article when saladino got injured and hahns comments about it. http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2014080...orts/140808811/ Also ran across this one as well. http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/101...cus-to-recovery Edited November 22, 2014 by WhiteSoxLifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Ten Big-name trade candidates. Alexei listed at #7 http://m.mlb.com/news/article/102179850/an...rade-candidates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 7h7 hours ago CHW continue to listen to offers for Alexei Ramirez because of the presence of Tim Anderson, who reached AA in '14: And SEMIEN goddammit. SEMIEN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Nov 22, 2014 -> 11:29 AM) And SEMIEN goddammit. SEMIEN. You've lost all credibility - long ago... So even if I agree with something you say... It's just ignored now... Clown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 You've lost all credibility - long ago... So even if I agree with something you say... It's just ignored now... Clown. You've been all over me lately. So because I project LaRoche to perform slightly worse than his Steamer projection I've lost all credibility? Come on -- I thought you were better than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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