witesoxfan Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 11:08 AM) How do you know the sox don't a shortstop besides alexei. How much have you seen semien or sanchez or even saladino play there to no even include them in the conversation. People are acting like if alexei was off the team and the Sox would get value in return then they couldn't compete. Alexei has value but not to to the point of saying we are guaranteed to win with him or without him we are guaranteed to lose. No one has ever said the Sox are guaranteed to win or lose with or without Alexei Ramirez. However, the White Sox insistence on not playing Semien and Sanchez at SS indicates that they aren't comfortable with them at the position. Saladino is recovering from Tommy John surgery and frankly the idea of Saladino is frightening. The Sox SHOULD explore a trade of Alexei Ramirez. I do not believe they should trade him for Jeff Samardzija in any fashion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 12:05 PM) No one has ever said the Sox are guaranteed to win or lose with or without Alexei Ramirez. However, the White Sox insistence on not playing Semien and Sanchez at SS indicates that they aren't comfortable with them at the position. Saladino is recovering from Tommy John surgery and frankly the idea of Saladino is frightening. The Sox SHOULD explore a trade of Alexei Ramirez. I do not believe they should trade him for Jeff Samardzija in any fashion. Sox weren't insistent of not letting semien or sanchez play ss. Alot of Semiens time was at second cause Beckham was injured by the beginning of the year. Then when he came back up he played second again along with sanchez cause backham was traded. Also saw time at 3rd. Alexei playing 158 games at shortstop doesn't allow for anyone else to play there. That means the sox would have had to bench alexei to try them out there and why would they do that. Why is saladino frightening. Hahn spoke highly of him when he got injured and said would have been pushing up to the majors if it wasn't for the injury. Said he showed alot more offense this year and has been showing he can play more then one position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 12:51 PM) Sox weren't insistent of not letting semien or sanchez play ss. Alot of Semiens time was at second cause Beckham was injured by the beginning of the year. Then when he came back up he played second again along with sanchez cause backham was traded. Also saw time at 3rd. Alexei playing 158 games at shortstop doesn't allow for anyone else to play there. That means the sox would have had to bench alexei to try them out there and why would they do that. Why is saladino frightening. Hahn spoke highly of him when he got injured and said would have been pushing up to the majors if it wasn't for the injury. Said he showed alot more offense this year and has been showing he can play more then one position. Marcus Semien played 83 games in the minors last year and only 42 at SS. Carlos Sanchez played 110 games in the minors and 44 games at SS. Saladino played 50 of 82 games at SS, making him the most likely. Perhaps they were just shuffling, but from what I've seen, really only Semien appeared to have enough range and it was far less than that of Ramirez. The Sox could compete or they could justify going into a rebuilding season if they got enough for Ramirez, but I do not view that as likely. Also, the idea of Tyler Saladino is frightening because this was his first successful season since 2011. His peripherals were fairly solid, but compare him to someone like Jordan Danks or Andy Wilkins. Would you want either of those guys starting every day for the Sox? I surely would not. Saladino put up comparable or worse numbers than those guys. He's a utility player moving foward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 06:08 PM) How do you know the sox don't a shortstop besides alexei. ~1. How much have you seen semien or sanchez or even saladino play there to no even include them in the conversation. People are acting like if alexei was off the team and the Sox would get value in return then they couldn't compete. Alexei has value but not to to the point of saying we are guaranteed to win with him or without him we are guaranteed to lose. ref ~1. b/c it is up to the Sox org to continue to talk up there players. we has fans may never see any of the prospect live, but we listen to an org rep, whom we trustt, to tell us the fans. now if you say what make them wanting to tell the truth. well, lets look at Rodon, did any of the fans of this board actually seen him let alone judge based on first hand knowledge? well we believe in those who rep the org of his skills. same thing with the bigger picture. #2. at least when the sox trade Alexei to another org, if traded, the sox will be guarantee several players coming back, in the right trade. those players will fill holes. why does the org need to trade of JS, if that position can be filled by other means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 07:05 PM) He is all about getting every penny he can. http://www.suntimes.com/sports/28266069-41...ml#.VIHzltLF-So i agree, even without the link for the article. btw, good reading. if JS was wanting to come back and be willing to give that discount, tell the fans what that price is or let his agent mention it. how much to sign him??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Chris Cotillo @ChrisCotillo 2m2 minutes ago Belief around baseball is that Noah Syndergaard is in play in trade talks for the #Mets. Hey Mets, you want Alexei? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 03:00 AM) Chris Cotillo @ChrisCotillo 2m2 minutes ago Belief around baseball is that Noah Syndergaard is in play in trade talks for the #Mets. Hey Mets, you want Alexei? Seems like Tulo would be the guy if Thor's involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 09:01 PM) Seems like Tulo would be the guy if Thor's involved. Yeah or even Castro. Just staring the pot a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 04:02 AM) Yeah or even Castro. Just staring the pot a bit. I can't imagine they'd give him up for Starlin. If so, Cubs should make that deal now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I guess the pursuit of Alexei wasn't all that aggressive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Should the Sox go after Syndergaard, after acquiring Shark and Robertson because it looks like the team is looking to compete? Remember that Shark is going to test FA and if that happens then he might be out of the Sox's price range. Syndergaard gives them a long term piece to add to the core. He is a flamethrower and a presence on the mound with more than a feel to pitch. Do you engage in trade talks with the Mets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I'd imagine that the odds of Alexei getting traded now are pretty slim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 07:45 AM) I'd imagine that the odds of Alexei getting traded now are pretty slim Yeah, something is telling me we intend on competing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 (edited) Sox could sign drew if they trade Alexei. If the sox can lockup samardzija and we're able to get Snydergaard plus for ramirez then I would do it. The shortstop market is shrinking. Starlin castro is supposedly to be off the market now and I don't believe Tulo is going anywhere. The Mets and dodgers are in desperate need and I would be asking for Snydergaard or Pederson. Imagine if the sox were able to lockup samardzija and acquired Snydergaard. That rotation would be sale, Samardzija, quintana, Snydergaard and Rodon in the future. Pretty damn good if you tell me. But I only trade Alexei if you got something of Snydergaard or Pederson. Edited December 9, 2014 by WhiteSoxLifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 07:45 AM) I'd imagine that the odds of Alexei getting traded now are pretty slim 0 chance at this point. We're trying to win this year, Alexei isn't going anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Bill Shaikin @BillShaikin White Sox add Samardzija, Robertson, LaRoche, Duke ... no, they're not trading Alexei Ramirez. Dodgers will have to find SS elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 If you can still get an elite uber prospect like Seager or Pederson, I'd still make the deal, but that will never happen, so no, he isn't going anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 07:49 AM) Yeah, something is telling me we intend on competing. Competing is not dependent on Alexei. It is dependent on better defense and a LF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peppers312 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 01:49 PM) Competing is not dependent on Alexei. It is dependent on better defense and a LF. you sound misinformed. specifically because of how bad the Sox defense was last season. if this team is going to compete, they need to catch/throw the ball a helluva a lot better than last season and Alexei's defense is DEFINITELY a part of that equation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 https://twitter.com/BillShaikin/status/542405224380391424 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Bill Shaikin @BillShaikin 2m2 minutes ago I'm told #Dodgers and #WhiteSox talked Matt Kemp for Alexei Ramirez awhile back but couldn't make money work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Per Buster Olney, the Dodgers have acquired the 30-something shortstop they were looking for : Jimmy Rollins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 @Ken_Rosenthal: Source: Rollins deal to #Dodgers close, but players not all agreed upon. Trade could involve a third team. Hahn loves his three team deals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Dec 10, 2014 -> 04:16 PM) @Ken_Rosenthal: Source: Rollins deal to #Dodgers close, but players not all agreed upon. Trade could involve a third team. Hahn loves his three team deals First thing i thought of was 3-way? Sox ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconOnAStick Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Whew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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