witesoxfan Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 18, 2014 -> 11:49 AM) His K-rate went from Buerhle to Kershaw. I doubt that continues. If you go from throwing fastball, cutter, changeup to two-seamer, cutter, slider, curveball, you can see drastic changes like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Nov 18, 2014 -> 11:47 AM) Let's hope we get 2012/2014 Zach Duke and not the Zach Duke who was a dumpster fire in 2013....Fairly meh on the signing till I see how he performs. You really don't want the 2012 version. He only gave you 13 innings. If it is for multiple years at a decent rate, this is the pitching signing equavalent to Jeff Keppinger. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Good. Bring me Joe Thatcher (and Luke Gregorson) and I will like the bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 18, 2014 -> 11:51 AM) If you go from throwing fastball, cutter, changeup to two-seamer, cutter, slider, curveball, you can see drastic changes like that. At age 31? I doubt it lasts. Do you have some examples? If it is a one year contract with some kind of option, that's fine. But these 3 year deal suggestions would be crazy to give him. Edited November 18, 2014 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 I would guess 3 years/$13.5 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Sign as many live arms as you can and hope some of them stick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 One domino down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) DA might be right and Duke might be awful but I'd rather take a chance on someone like him as opposed to giving Andrew Miller 10 mill a year for 4 years. Once again, I'm assuming this deal isn't anything outrageous but I'm happy with it. Edited November 18, 2014 by Rowand44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 18, 2014 -> 11:54 AM) DA might be right and Duke might be awful but I'd rather take a chance on someone like him as opposed to giving Andrew Miller 10 mill a year for 4 years. Once again, I'm assuming this deal isn't anything outrageous but I'm happy with it. QFT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Nov 18, 2014 -> 11:53 AM) I would guess 3 years/$13.5 million. I don't think they would go a guaranteed third year but I could be wrong. I would imagine there would be at least a third year club/vesting option with a small buyout attached. The numbers that popped into my head initially were 2/$8 million with a $4.5 million option or $.5 buyout. That's strictly a guess though. He just doesn't have long enough history as a quality reliever to guarantee three years in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 He fills a need nothing more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Nov 18, 2014 -> 11:56 AM) He fills a need nothing more. What else would you expect him to do? Fly the team plane? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Nov 18, 2014 -> 06:46 PM) Dan Hayes Zach Duke allowed only eight of 41 inherited runners to score (80 percent) last season. #WhiteSox allowed 32 percent. Needed to fix that. https://twitter.com/CSNHayes/status/534764157372215297 I'm confused by the way he wrote this. So did Zach Duke "allow" 20% of inherited runners to score, and the white sox 32%? Or did Duke "hold" 80% of runners and White Sox only 32%? Confusing switching of terminology there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Nov 18, 2014 -> 11:58 AM) What else would you expect him to do? Fly the team plane? That's why I would sign him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Can anyone confirm if Duke is a pilot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonxctf Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 18, 2014 -> 05:58 PM) I'm confused by the way he wrote this. So did Zach Duke "allow" 20% of inherited runners to score, and the white sox 32%? Or did Duke "hold" 80% of runners and White Sox only 32%? Confusing switching of terminology there. yeah i saw that too. messed up wording by Dan Hayes. I think he meant that Duke allowed 20% to score, which the Sox allowed 68%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 18, 2014 -> 11:58 AM) I'm confused by the way he wrote this. So did Zach Duke "allow" 20% of inherited runners to score, and the white sox 32%? Or did Duke "hold" 80% of runners and White Sox only 32%? Confusing switching of terminology there. I have to assume he meant Duke had an 80% success rate while the White Sox allowed 32% to score. So yea the comparison should really be 20% to 32%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 We can confirm that he has at least flown in a plane before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 QUOTE (shipps @ Nov 18, 2014 -> 12:04 PM) We can confirm that he has at least flown in a plane before. Source? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 18, 2014 -> 11:58 AM) I'm confused by the way he wrote this. So did Zach Duke "allow" 20% of inherited runners to score, and the white sox 32%? Or did Duke "hold" 80% of runners and White Sox only 32%? Confusing switching of terminology there. Yeah it was. Without looking it up, assuming he meant what it would read if the "(80 percent)" was omitted: Duke allowed 20 percent to score, Sox allowed 32 percent to score. The Sox bullpen holding only 32% of inherited runners seems like it would be an apocalyptic number. Doubt this is a three-year contract as some have guessed. I'm guessing 2/$9. Fine with the signing and even if his K-rate isn't real he has the ground ball chops that we've trended towards. Better this than Miller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 J Stankevitz Zach Duke's fastball averaged 88.1 mph. Last year w/Milwaukee: 89.7 mph. Strikeout rate more than doubled. #WhiteSox https://twitter.com/JJStankevitz/status/534768820473565184 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whtsoxfan Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-...iever-zach-duke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 18, 2014 -> 12:05 PM) Source? A bird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Duke may not be the best available reliever but I take him over Snoddy and Surkamp any day. Surkamp would appear to be slowly coming around but I have no faith in Snoddy. I'm happy with the Duke signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Also, never underestimate what a good baseball name is worth. Who would you rather have on the mound - Scott Downs or ZACH DUKE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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