Andy the Clown Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Man I'm slow. At the very least he's competition to Surkamp and Snoddy as the 2nd LHP out of the pen. Nah, man. That role is going to Danks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 My order would be: Wilkins Phegley Carroll Rienzo Wilkins and Carroll won't be around much longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 03:21 PM) Wilkins and Carroll won't be around much longer. It wouldn't shock me to see Carroll as the White Sox long man next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 well, to me,Mitchell is not a proven dog, and there are some proven dogs on the 40 man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 03:21 PM) Wilkins and Carroll won't be around much longer. I really couldn't disagree more with this. I think Wilkins and Carroll's 40 man spots are really quite safe. Rienzo I don't think has a lot of life left, nor does Phegley. Regarding Rienzo, I'm just not sure he's a good pitcher (but it was worth getting a look at him this year). Phegley I think can be an OK player at the MLB level but there's just not a lot of room for a player with his skillset on the Sox roster. He is a guy that might go for a guy like Raul Fernandez but who doesn't need a 40-man spot...he can throw it through a brick wall but has no idea where it's going. In a lot of ways, Phegley's situation kind of reminds me of Gillaspie in that he keeps hitting in AAA, there's no room for him at the MLB level, he's running out of options, and he's not hitting a lot at the MLB level. Wilkins hits left handed and crushed the ball the second half of last year. There's no need to get rid of a player like that. He might be a pinch hitter or AAA depth and he may ultimately be a AAAA player but there's no need to get rid of a youngish guy who hit 30 homers in the minors last year. And Carroll pitched well enough that he can be counted on to be 7th starter or 9th guy out of the bullpen, or perhaps he finds a role as a swing man in the bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) i like it. this is one of the pitchers i was hoping that the dodgers will use as a throw in. his last yr era is a little deceiving, you should remember he was injured. here is his profile from MILB.com Scouting Grades: Fastball: 65 | Slider: 55 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 50 | Overall: 50 An unheralded 24th-round pick out of Southern in 2013, DeLeon signed for $35,000 and recorded a 6.96 ERA in his pro debut before making a name for himself in his second pro season. He was named pitcher ofthe year in the Rookie-level Pioneer League, which he topped in strikeouts (77) and strikeouts per nine innings (12.8). He upped his whiff rate to 16.7 in four starts at low Class A Great Lakes, where he fanned 14 in one game to break Clayton Kershaw's single-game franchise record. Threw in the low 90s at Southern and boosted his fastball into the mid-90s once he improved his delivery and conditioning in pro ball. He also improved his slider, which now operates in the low 80s with depth and gives him a legitimate swing-and-miss pitch. Willing to throw his changeup and does a reasonable job of throwing strikes. He projects as a starter but it remains to be seen how his stuff will hold up over an entire year in full-season ball. At worst, his fastball and slider should make him a useful reliever. he might not be dazzling now, but i would bet he will come around. nice pickup. Edited November 20, 2014 by LDF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 2015's Leyson Septimo. Hooray! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 03:28 PM) It wouldn't shock me to see Carroll as the White Sox long man next year. That's actually a good use of a roster spot imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 I really couldn't disagree more with this. I think Wilkins and Carroll's 40 man spots are really quite safe. Rienzo I don't think has a lot of life left, nor does Phegley. Regarding Rienzo, I'm just not sure he's a good pitcher (but it was worth getting a look at him this year). Phegley I think can be an OK player at the MLB level but there's just not a lot of room for a player with his skillset on the Sox roster. He is a guy that might go for a guy like Raul Fernandez but who doesn't need a 40-man spot...he can throw it through a brick wall but has no idea where it's going. In a lot of ways, Phegley's situation kind of reminds me of Gillaspie in that he keeps hitting in AAA, there's no room for him at the MLB level, he's running out of options, and he's not hitting a lot at the MLB level. Wilkins hits left handed and crushed the ball the second half of last year. There's no need to get rid of a player like that. He might be a pinch hitter or AAA depth and he may ultimately be a AAAA player but there's no need to get rid of a youngish guy who hit 30 homers in the minors last year. And Carroll pitched well enough that he can be counted on to be 7th starter or 9th guy out of the bullpen, or perhaps he finds a role as a swing man in the bullpen. I guess I should say that's there's no way in hell they should be on our roster, but they probably will. We have a lot of s*** on the 40 man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 04:20 PM) Nah, man. That role is going to Danks. LOL. Yea, they are going to pay him what they are paying him in order to pitch 50 s***ty innings out of the pen. He'll either enter camp as the 4th starter (something went horribly wrong then) or he'll be off the team. Well, one more possibility exists, and that is that he'll be the 5th starter breaking camp, and that wouldn't be half bad assuming they fixed the 3 and 4 spots. I do agree with you that Wilkens and Rienzo are as good as gone. Wilkens? LMAO. Classic AAAA player. I have no idea why he hasn't already been waived. Rienzo maybe they could get a C prospect for. Edited November 20, 2014 by chitownsportsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 Who is Wilkins blocking at the moment that people want him DFA'd and gone so badly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 03:50 PM) Who is Wilkins blocking at the moment that people want him DFA'd and gone so badly? Konerko. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 04:50 PM) Who is Wilkins blocking at the moment that people want him DFA'd and gone so badly? Nobody right now but he's the next man for the chopping block when they make their next FA signing and/or trade. I put that odds at 90% that if they need to clear 40 man spot, he's the guy to go. edit: or when they resign Kong. Edited November 20, 2014 by chitownsportsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 10:52 PM) Nobody right now but he's the next man for the chopping block when they make their next FA signing and/or trade. I put that odds at 90% that if they need to clear 40 man spot, he's the guy to go. edit: or when they resign Kong. oh bad if the sox pick up a player??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 03:52 PM) Nobody right now but he's the next man for the chopping block when they make their next FA signing and/or trade. I put that odds at 90% that if they need to clear 40 man spot, he's the guy to go. edit: or when they resign Kong. I think Phegley makes a hell of a lot more sense for that chopping block. The Sox have very little first base depth at the moment. At least as a AAAA player, Wilkins has enough talent and upside that he could get hot for a month and perhaps keep the Sox afloat. Maybe his ceiling is Garrett Jones, maybe it's lower than that, but the guy can hit the ball out of the park. EDIT: Also, Raul Fernandez, Andre Rienzo, and Maikel Cleto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 I think I'm more excited that Mitchell was kicked off the 40-Man. He honestly has no business being on it and another team would have to be nuts to claim him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 11:09 PM) I think I'm more excited that Mitchell was kicked off the 40-Man. He honestly has no business being on it and another team would have to be nuts to claim him. i am sure he is a nice person, doesn't kick the neighbors dog, but that injury did hurt in other ways. i hope for the best for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 04:59 PM) I think Phegley makes a hell of a lot more sense for that chopping block. The Sox have very little first base depth at the moment. At least as a AAAA player, Wilkins has enough talent and upside that he could get hot for a month and perhaps keep the Sox afloat. Maybe his ceiling is Garrett Jones, maybe it's lower than that, but the guy can hit the ball out of the park. EDIT: Also, Raul Fernandez, Andre Rienzo, and Maikel Cleto. Could be Phegley but honestly as an emergency AAAA catcher he has value. Types like Wilkins are usually floating around for non roster invites in spring, no? Cleto yea, he could be gone as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Why Raul Fernandez is on the 40 is beyond me, he should probably be next to go with Leury close to follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 03:31 PM) I really couldn't disagree more with this. I think Wilkins and Carroll's 40 man spots are really quite safe. Rienzo I don't think has a lot of life left, nor does Phegley. Regarding Rienzo, I'm just not sure he's a good pitcher (but it was worth getting a look at him this year). Phegley I think can be an OK player at the MLB level but there's just not a lot of room for a player with his skillset on the Sox roster. He is a guy that might go for a guy like Raul Fernandez but who doesn't need a 40-man spot...he can throw it through a brick wall but has no idea where it's going. In a lot of ways, Phegley's situation kind of reminds me of Gillaspie in that he keeps hitting in AAA, there's no room for him at the MLB level, he's running out of options, and he's not hitting a lot at the MLB level. Wilkins hits left handed and crushed the ball the second half of last year. There's no need to get rid of a player like that. He might be a pinch hitter or AAA depth and he may ultimately be a AAAA player but there's no need to get rid of a youngish guy who hit 30 homers in the minors last year. And Carroll pitched well enough that he can be counted on to be 7th starter or 9th guy out of the bullpen, or perhaps he finds a role as a swing man in the bullpen. I agree that Wilkins is probably very safe on the roster, he can provide value as depth at AAA and possibly a LH bench bat to spell Abreu. Carroll I am not so sure of, as he seems to be just a guy, so if they get into a roster crunch, I think he would be considered. The order at which I think people will be removed from the 40 man roster: 1. Maikel Cleto 2. JB Shuck 3. Andre Rienzo 4. Josh Phegley 5. Scott Carroll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) Ya I'd like to keep Phegley around. Not that I think he ever amounts to much but I'd like to have him around as an emergency call up if one of our catchers breaks themselves. Edited November 20, 2014 by Rowand44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 04:13 PM) Why Raul Fernandez is on the 40 is beyond me, he should probably be next to go with Leury close to follow. Why? He has come pretty good stuff, just needs a bit of refinement, but could be a high leverage reliever in the not too distant future. A team with bullpen depth issues should not be quick to discard such an asset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 03:59 PM) I think Phegley makes a hell of a lot more sense for that chopping block. The Sox have very little first base depth at the moment. At least as a AAAA player, Wilkins has enough talent and upside that he could get hot for a month and perhaps keep the Sox afloat. Maybe his ceiling is Garrett Jones, maybe it's lower than that, but the guy can hit the ball out of the park. EDIT: Also, Raul Fernandez, Andre Rienzo, and Maikel Cleto. Cleto has to be the next guy out the door, especially when another reliever is signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 On what planet are we living on where Andy Wilkins provides value? He's a 27 year old non prospect that was absolute trash in his cup of coffee. He looked completely overwhelmed by MLB pitching. He struck out in half his 45 AB! Come on people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 04:13 PM) Why Raul Fernandez is on the 40 is beyond me, he should probably be next to go with Leury close to follow. He is a young project who throws 100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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