Red Sox Outfielders

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

By my count, the Red Sox have 9 outfielders.....

 

Cespedes, Castillo, Hanley, Victorino, Nava, Craig, Bradley Jr., Betts, Holt

 

 

Their starting rotation is a mess. I can't imagine with this wild spending spree that they don't just go for broke (sound familar? Beckett, Gonzalez, Crawford) and bring back Lester or even add Scherzer.

 

I'd like to see the Sox target Betts to play LF. Even though it may be a slap in the face, I'd like to see us offer Montas + a lesser prospect for Betts. Maybe Montas + Beck.

 

I think Betts would be an awesome fit for this team as he just turned 22, he hits for good average (.346 in 99 games in AA-AAA, .291 in 51 ML games), hits for decent power (11 HR in AA-AAA, 5 in ML), steals a lot of bases (33 in AA-AAA, 7 in ML), walks MORE than he strikes out (61 BB, 50 K in AA-AAA, 21 BB, 31 K in ML), and plays CF and 2B, meaning he should be able to play a good LF for us. I mean, he's a super impressive player who absolutely dominated baseball at age 21. Combine AA-AAA-MLB numbers last year, and he hit about .320 with 16 HR, 40 SB, 42 2B, a 400+ OBP, and he still has 6 years of team control left. I mean, he'd be a pretty phenomenal get, in my opinion. It would probably cost us a LOT more than Montas + Beck if it wasn't for the fact that the Red Sox have so many damn OFers already, and it's certainly possible they will clear other guys in order to KEEP Betts. But I wish Hahn would really press Cherington and try and dangle some of our pitching prospects for him.

Edited November 25, 2014 by Chilihead90

[daggins]

A reliever and a non-prospect will not get Betts.

 

If we're getting Betts then we're giving Sale or Quintana. End of story.

 

Victorino will cost a bag of balls compared to Betts and has a history of being adequate.

 

I'd rather they just pony up for Melky, honestly. The Red Sox don't have a great fit that can be realistically acquired.

[Dick Allen]

By my count, the Red Sox have 9 outfielders.....

 

Cespedes, Castillo, Hanley, Victorino, Nava, Craig, Bradley Jr., Betts, Holt

 

 

Their starting rotation is a mess. I can't imagine with this wild spending spree that they don't just go for broke (sound familar? Beckett, Gonzalez, Crawford) and bring back Lester or even add Scherzer.

 

I'd like to see the Sox target Betts to play LF. Even though it may be a slap in the face, I'd like to see us offer Montas + a lesser prospect for Betts. Maybe Montas + Beck.

 

I think Betts would be an awesome fit for this team as he just turned 22, he hits for good average (.346 in 99 games in AA-AAA, .291 in 51 ML games), hits for decent power (11 HR in AA-AAA, 5 in ML), steals a lot of bases (33 in AA-AAA, 7 in ML), walks MORE than he strikes out (61 BB, 50 K in AA-AAA, 21 BB, 31 K in ML), and plays CF and 2B, meaning he should be able to play a good LF for us. I mean, he's a super impressive player who absolutely dominated baseball at age 21. Combine AA-AAA-MLB numbers last year, and he hit about .320 with 16 HR, 40 SB, 42 2B, a 400+ OBP, and he still has 6 years of team control left. I mean, he'd be a pretty phenomenal get, in my opinion. It would probably cost us a LOT more than Montas + Beck if it wasn't for the fact that the Red Sox have so many damn OFers already, and it's certainly possible they will clear other guys in order to KEEP Betts. But I wish Hahn would really press Cherington and try and dangle some of our pitching prospects for him.

They aren't going to be desperate to get rid of Betts. If they want to trade him, and I doubt it, there are 28 other teams that probably wouldn't mind having him. it is crazy to think the Red Sox are into givng the White Sox gifts. i think they want to keep Betts. If not, maybe he is part of the package for Hamels. Certainly not for a guy they threw into a trade last year and another guy who probably is a journeyman at best.

[lasttriptotulsa]

A reliever and a non-prospect will not get Betts.

 

If we're getting Betts then we're giving Sale or Quintana. End of story.

 

Victorino will cost a bag of balls compared to Betts and has a history of being adequate.

 

I'd rather they just pony up for Melky, honestly. The Red Sox don't have a great fit that can be realistically acquired.

 

Not that I think Montas + Beck will get Betts, but Montas is not a reliever. The guy has top end of the rotation potential and is just 21 years old.

[daggins]

I'm seeing it from the Red Sox perspective. His body type and lack of a refined third pitch says he will be a reliever.

 

I have more optimism but it is of the guarded type.

[hogan873]

If the White Sox were to target any of the Red Sox outfielders, it would have to be Betts...if for no other reason than the guy's name is Mookie.

[TheFutureIsNear]

Yeah I don't think the Red Sox are trading Betts unless they get a SP with proven success back. We don't have any extra of those to trade.

 

Provided he's healthy/Will be healthy Victorino is the guy I want. He'd fit perfect in LF and the #2 hole. Switch hitter with some speed and defense who gets on base at a decent clip. Sounds perfect to me. And if they want to throw Nava in I'd take him as well.

[SoxAce]

A small part of me wants to "buy low" on JBJ but that's mostly bias as he was a personal favorite prospect of mine when he was turning heads a couple years ago in the Carolina league. Plus, he was insanely good defensively last year at CF. He alone improves our outfield defense ten fold. It's a damn shame he can't hit a lick at the MLB level. (yet.. or ever.. who knows) EDIT: I exaggerated on the "insanely good" part. I'll leave that for the Juan Lagares of the world. Still very good though.

Edited November 25, 2014 by SoxAce

[harfman77]

By my count, the Red Sox have 9 outfielders.....

 

Cespedes, Castillo, Hanley, Victorino, Nava, Craig, Bradley Jr., Betts, Holt

 

 

Their starting rotation is a mess. I can't imagine with this wild spending spree that they don't just go for broke (sound familar? Beckett, Gonzalez, Crawford) and bring back Lester or even add Scherzer.

 

I'd like to see the Sox target Betts to play LF. Even though it may be a slap in the face, I'd like to see us offer Montas + a lesser prospect for Betts. Maybe Montas + Beck.

 

I think Betts would be an awesome fit for this team as he just turned 22, he hits for good average (.346 in 99 games in AA-AAA, .291 in 51 ML games), hits for decent power (11 HR in AA-AAA, 5 in ML), steals a lot of bases (33 in AA-AAA, 7 in ML), walks MORE than he strikes out (61 BB, 50 K in AA-AAA, 21 BB, 31 K in ML), and plays CF and 2B, meaning he should be able to play a good LF for us. I mean, he's a super impressive player who absolutely dominated baseball at age 21. Combine AA-AAA-MLB numbers last year, and he hit about .320 with 16 HR, 40 SB, 42 2B, a 400+ OBP, and he still has 6 years of team control left. I mean, he'd be a pretty phenomenal get, in my opinion. It would probably cost us a LOT more than Montas + Beck if it wasn't for the fact that the Red Sox have so many damn OFers already, and it's certainly possible they will clear other guys in order to KEEP Betts. But I wish Hahn would really press Cherington and try and dangle some of our pitching prospects for him.

 

Hanley may end up at SS for the next couple of seasons as well, so I wouldn't necessarily add him to the mix either. Bogaerts may be the centerpiece in a deal to bring a SP to Boston. I could see them keeping Hanley at SS until Ortiz retires, then moving Sandoval over to DH and Hanley to 3B and plugging Marrero in at SS.

[Eminor3rd]

By my count, the Red Sox have 9 outfielders.....

 

Cespedes, Castillo, Hanley, Victorino, Nava, Craig, Bradley Jr., Betts, Holt

 

 

Their starting rotation is a mess. I can't imagine with this wild spending spree that they don't just go for broke (sound familar? Beckett, Gonzalez, Crawford) and bring back Lester or even add Scherzer.

 

I'd like to see the Sox target Betts to play LF. Even though it may be a slap in the face, I'd like to see us offer Montas + a lesser prospect for Betts. Maybe Montas + Beck.

 

I think Betts would be an awesome fit for this team as he just turned 22, he hits for good average (.346 in 99 games in AA-AAA, .291 in 51 ML games), hits for decent power (11 HR in AA-AAA, 5 in ML), steals a lot of bases (33 in AA-AAA, 7 in ML), walks MORE than he strikes out (61 BB, 50 K in AA-AAA, 21 BB, 31 K in ML), and plays CF and 2B, meaning he should be able to play a good LF for us. I mean, he's a super impressive player who absolutely dominated baseball at age 21. Combine AA-AAA-MLB numbers last year, and he hit about .320 with 16 HR, 40 SB, 42 2B, a 400+ OBP, and he still has 6 years of team control left. I mean, he'd be a pretty phenomenal get, in my opinion. It would probably cost us a LOT more than Montas + Beck if it wasn't for the fact that the Red Sox have so many damn OFers already, and it's certainly possible they will clear other guys in order to KEEP Betts. But I wish Hahn would really press Cherington and try and dangle some of our pitching prospects for him.

 

That's a FRACTION of Betts' price.

 

[witesoxfan]

A small part of me wants to "buy low" on JBJ but that's mostly bias as he was a personal favorite prospect of mine when he was turning heads a couple years ago in the Carolina league. Plus, he was insanely good defensively last year at CF. He alone improves our outfield defense ten fold. It's a damn shame he can't hit a lick at the MLB level. (yet.. or ever.. who knows) EDIT: I exaggerated on the "insanely good" part. I'll leave that for the Juan Lagares of the world. Still very good though.

 

He is a fantastic defender and has a lot of upside. I'd love for the Sox to buy low on him if the Red Sox were willing to do so. The worst case scenario is that you end up with a fantastic defensive 4th outfielder which is not without value, and the upside is a 4-5 WAR player.

[harfman77]

He is a fantastic defender and has a lot of upside. I'd love for the Sox to buy low on him if the Red Sox were willing to do so. The worst case scenario is that you end up with a fantastic defensive 4th outfielder which is not without value, and the upside is a 4-5 WAR player.

 

I agree, would love to take a flier on him, though I am not sure what the Sox have to offer that Boston would be interested in for him without him being a throw in on a larger deal.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

By my count, the Red Sox have 9 outfielders.....

 

Cespedes, Castillo, Hanley, Victorino, Nava, Craig, Bradley Jr., Betts, Holt

 

 

Their starting rotation is a mess. I can't imagine with this wild spending spree that they don't just go for broke (sound familar? Beckett, Gonzalez, Crawford) and bring back Lester or even add Scherzer.

 

I'd like to see the Sox target Betts to play LF. Even though it may be a slap in the face, I'd like to see us offer Montas + a lesser prospect for Betts. Maybe Montas + Beck.

 

I think Betts would be an awesome fit for this team as he just turned 22, he hits for good average (.346 in 99 games in AA-AAA, .291 in 51 ML games), hits for decent power (11 HR in AA-AAA, 5 in ML), steals a lot of bases (33 in AA-AAA, 7 in ML), walks MORE than he strikes out (61 BB, 50 K in AA-AAA, 21 BB, 31 K in ML), and plays CF and 2B, meaning he should be able to play a good LF for us. I mean, he's a super impressive player who absolutely dominated baseball at age 21. Combine AA-AAA-MLB numbers last year, and he hit about .320 with 16 HR, 40 SB, 42 2B, a 400+ OBP, and he still has 6 years of team control left. I mean, he'd be a pretty phenomenal get, in my opinion. It would probably cost us a LOT more than Montas + Beck if it wasn't for the fact that the Red Sox have so many damn OFers already, and it's certainly possible they will clear other guys in order to KEEP Betts. But I wish Hahn would really press Cherington and try and dangle some of our pitching prospects for him.

Surprised no one has said anything about Brock Holt. Extremely valuable . Plays every position except pitcher and catcher. LH, hits and runs well 26 years old. Good option for OF full time, back up CF , 3B, SS, in case of injury. SS by trade I think but so is Boegarts . Heck he might be a good option if Alexei is traded or if Gillaspie's season was a fluke.

2014 Games By Position: PH (1), 1B (8), LF (8), CF (10), 2B (11), SS (12), RF (35), 3B (39)

 

He is what we are hoping Semien becomes , a 2 WAR jack of all trades with starter upside.

I've been touting Saunders and many have echoed that sentiment but I'd be pleased as punch with Holt.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/brock-holt-leak-plugger/ Fangraphs highlights of him in various positions. He set the world on fire the 1st half of the season. 2nd half not so much. It wasn't long ago that he was thought to be organizational filler so he may come cheap despite his 2 WAR . BTW he also hit LH's better than RH's . Came in 8th in ROY voting.

Edited November 26, 2014 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[GreenSox]

HOlt's kind of interesting -how's his D?

 

I'd take a flyer on Bradley Jr too. However a)I don't think he comes that cheap and b)the odds are he's another Danks/Wise and I've had enough of that.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

HOlt's kind of interesting -how's his D?

 

I'd take a flyer on Bradley Jr too. However a)I don't think he comes that cheap and b)the odds are he's another Danks/Wise and I've had enough of that.

The Fangraphs hilites were all on D plus that 2 War has to mean he had some defensive prowess also . Looks like he was best at SS and RF but since he played so many positions getting a grasp on his D is difficult.

 

But is he the player from the 1st half or the 2nd half when pitchers probably made adjustments to him ? He had never played OF prior to his use by the Red Sox.

 

He had a walkoff hit against Guerra July 9th http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/28898650/v344...right/?c_id=mlb The Red Sox announcers we're saying the "legend of Brock Holt continues because he was just making all kinds of plays where ever they put him and hitting well.

Edited November 26, 2014 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[GreenSox]

The Fangraphs hilites were all on D plus that 2 War has to mean he had some defensive prowess also . Looks like he was best at SS and RF but since he played so many positions getting a grasp on his D is difficult.

 

But is he the player from the 1st half or the 2nd half when pitchers probably made adjustments to him ? He had never played OF prior to his use by the Red Sox.

I'm not all that interested in a jack of all trades. Semien can do that.

But if he can play a full time outfield, a young OF like him is what I think the Sox need. They can be had cheap, could develop, as the Sox build.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

I'm not all that interested in a jack of all trades. Semien can do that.

But if he can play a full time outfield, a young OF like him is what I think the Sox need. They can be had cheap, could develop, as the Sox build.

We THINK Semien is capable of that but a sure way to upgrade is to get 1 or 2 WAR from reserves and getting rid of negative WAR players ( Viciedo). The Red Sox would be wise to sell high on him. He may never approach what he did last year again but I'd like to find out with him in a White Sox uniform . A crowded OF is exactly how the Sox grabbed Eaton and it now applies in Boston. He won't get a chance to start in Boston and at his age (26) he should be given a chance to find out if he is legit.

 

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/69622576/v344...riple/?c_id=mlb Single off Danks that Eaton missed a shoestring catch that turned it into a triple.

[GreenSox]

We THINK Semien is capable of that but a sure way to upgrade is to get 1 or 2 WAR from reserves and getting rid of negative WAR players ( Viciedo). The Red Sox would be wise to sell high on him. He may never approach what he did last year again but I'd like to find out with him in a White Sox uniform . A crowded OF is exactly how the Sox grabbed Eaton and it now applies in Boston. He won't get a chance to start in Boston and at his age (26) he should be given a chance to find out if he is legit.

 

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/69622576/v344...riple/?c_id=mlb Single off Danks that Eaton missed a shoestring catch that turned it into a triple.

Well, it's not like Holt is much himself. He hit 4 homers in 449 plate appearances and checked in with a marginal .711 OPS. He is basically an infielder (and we're full) although he can play OF and he was never a top prospect. He's got nowhere near Eaton's credentials as a prospect.

I wouldn't be interested in him unless he could be a full time player (we have enough 4th outfielders, 5th infielders and all of that) and I'm not sure he can be with that offense.

He may be at top value but it isn't that high. He shouldn't cost much - although neither should any of those excess Red Sox outfielders.

As I said repeatedly, I'd rather use Alexei to get a real long-term outfield solution.

Edited November 26, 2014 by GreenSox

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

That's a FRACTION of Betts' price.

 

It would probably cost us a LOT more than Montas + Beck if it wasn't for the fact that the Red Sox have so many damn OFers already, and it's certainly possible they will clear other guys in order to KEEP Betts.

 

[caulfield12]

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/1...g-spending-ways

 

 

Putting 2 and 2 together, Bradley, Jr., Cespedes and Victorino are the most likely to move.

 

Cespedes will cost a starting pitcher, so forget that idea.

 

So it's down to Bradley, Jr., and Victorino. Bradley, Jr., and Eaton in the same outfield would be taking a page out of the Royals' book, but not really "dreaming" big. Victorino would be the smarter addition, if there's anything still left in the tank at this point.

[nickofypres]

I would take Shane.

 

Red Sox need a SP. Anyway we could realisticly throw Danks in there?

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/1...g-spending-ways

 

 

Putting 2 and 2 together, Bradley, Jr., Cespedes and Victorino are the most likely to move.

 

Cespedes will cost a starting pitcher, so forget that idea.

 

So it's down to Bradley, Jr., and Victorino. Bradley, Jr., and Eaton in the same outfield would be taking a page out of the Royals' book, but not really "dreaming" big. Victorino would be the smarter addition, if there's anything still left in the tank at this point.

Bradley Jr. over Victorino any day. Old broken down OF's are a step in the wrong direction. At least Bradley, Jr. has youth , wonderful D which the Sox need badly and speed and the "potential " to hit.

 

Still rather try to pry Holt loose. Maybe he'd cost less than JBJ despite having great value to the Red Sox as a super-utility guy. On that team he will get nowhere near the amount of AB's he had last year.

 

Maybe in a humanitarian gesture the Red Sox let him go to realize his potential rather than keep him as the supersub.

[SCCWS]

Bradley Jr. over Victorino any day. Old broken down OF's are a step in the wrong direction. At least Bradley, Jr. has youth , wonderful D which the Sox need badly and speed and the "potential " to hit.

 

Still rather try to pry Holt loose. Maybe he'd cost less than JBJ despite having great value to the Red Sox as a super-utility guy. On that team he will get nowhere near the amount of AB's he had last year.

 

Maybe in a humanitarian gesture the Red Sox let him go to realize his potential rather than keep him as the supersub.

 

I don't see the Red Sox trading Holt. He will be their super utility in that he can play IF and OF. The Red Sox probably have the best lineup in baseball now but they have not added pitching and their defense is very average. They will trade Cespedes for some pitching.

White Sox may still be interested in Nava and he could be reasonably priced. Victorino is damaged goods at a high price. I woule love to see Hahn take a shot on Bradley. the tools are all their except so far he has not hit in majors.

 

[TheFutureIsNear]

Bradley Jr. over Victorino any day. Old broken down OF's are a step in the wrong direction. At least Bradley, Jr. has youth , wonderful D which the Sox need badly and speed and the "potential " to hit.

 

Still rather try to pry Holt loose. Maybe he'd cost less than JBJ despite having great value to the Red Sox as a super-utility guy. On that team he will get nowhere near the amount of AB's he had last year.

 

Maybe in a humanitarian gesture the Red Sox let him go to realize his potential rather than keep him as the supersub.

 

Bradley Jr can't hit and would cost us something decent...getting a guy like Victorino isn't a move to make any time soon because you'd obviously like a more long term option, but he's certainly not a bad stop gap option if other plans fall through. I mean we did just sign a 34 year old DH to a 2 year deal...Victorino for 1 year can't seem like too bad of an idea, especially if he costs us little to nothing in a trade.

 

[GreenSox]

HOlt is probably the guy they'd like to keep. He's certainly not a priority in moving considering they have challenges like Victorino (aging and injured), Craig (terrible year; big contract; poor defensively) and 1 year of Cespedes they'd like to move. And let's not help them out with any of this.

Anyway, I wouldn't give much for a utility player anyway.