Bob Sacamano Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 I too go to about 10-15 games a year. Last season, I used to buy the cheapest tickets then sit down on the 100 level because I started to notice the security people were not checking tickets. Always worked for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 4, 2014 -> 04:14 PM) they are the loveable losers. the sox need to improve there own system, acquire what is necessary to win another WS. then keep up the pressure. we as sox fans will prevail. Indeed. The Sox were the toast of the town 2005 - 2006 and then 2007 happened. All we have to show for it was Gordon Beckham maddening fans for 4 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 4, 2014 -> 08:31 AM) and oak made it to the playoff. but with that, oak always seems to flip their players. the sox have a great core to build from, JR need to spend a little more. again, i am not talking Bos, Yanks, or even Dodgers salary. They do because they can no longer afford them, if Oakland had a bigger payroll with Beane as their GM they would be able to keep said players. Yet it's amazing that every year with a payroll around $38-$45m that they're consistently on the better teams and one of best organizations in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 05:29 AM) They do because they can no longer afford them, if Oakland had a bigger payroll with Beane as their GM they would be able to keep said players. Yet it's amazing that every year with a payroll around $38-$45m that they're consistently on the better teams and one of best organizations in baseball. thanks and that is where i am going. Beane has no qualms of trading his players for prospect and players mix. the bottom line i was trying to point out the difference in quality in the GM's. however i am really high on Hahn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 thanks and that is where i am going. Beane has no qualms of trading his players for prospect and players mix. the bottom line i was trying to point out the difference in quality in the GM's. however i am really high on Hahn. Both GM's have won the same number of pennants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 02:03 PM) Both GM's have won the same number of pennants. and who has had most success????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 11:39 AM) and who has had most success????? Hahn was dealt a pretty s***ty hand and has added a ton of talent to it in 2 years time. That'd be like comparing the Red Sox of the past 15 seasons to the Tampa Bay Rays of the past 2 years and saying "who has had more success?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 06:41 PM) Hahn was dealt a pretty s***ty hand and has added a ton of talent to it in 2 years time. That'd be like comparing the Red Sox of the past 15 seasons to the Tampa Bay Rays of the past 2 years and saying "who has had more success?" but someone mention that the 2 GM has 2 pennants. that is if the whole things being equal. difference of ideas of running a team. anyway, my whole point is, i like Hahn and he got the team in a state of complete shambles. the sox didn't even have a decent pot to piss in. all this success is Hahn doing. he will build a future. As i said, Beane will constantly trade the successful pieces for younger pieces to maintain a salary the is set in stone, that salary is agree between him and the owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 and who has had most success????? Hahn in the sense that he has only failed to win a pennant twice but Beane has failed to win one 15 times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 07:08 PM) Hahn in the sense that he has only failed to win a pennant twice but Beane has failed to win one 15 times. ahah come on, you really don't expect to use that stat as a value answer??? there are too many intangibles in any situation that can be compare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Hahn speaks going into the Winter Meetings... http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/...s-meetings-near Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 (edited) Two things that would be nice to see in the next week: 1) Hahn get the guy that he couldn't at the trade deadline...whomever that is. 2) Get Viciedo off my team. Edited December 5, 2014 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Pretty clear they are trying to get rid of Viciedo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 11:41 AM) Hahn was dealt a pretty s***ty hand and has added a ton of talent to it in 2 years time. That'd be like comparing the Red Sox of the past 15 seasons to the Tampa Bay Rays of the past 2 years and saying "who has had more success?" Yes he has. Let him keep doing what he's doing. We don't need to revert to the KW philosophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 06:13 PM) Yes he has. Let him keep doing what he's doing. We don't need to revert to the KW philosophy. KW philosphy is Hahns philosophy. Remember KWwanted to start the tear down 1 year earlier but JR wanted to try it for one more year with the veteran team. KW agreed with the change in the team direction. He always said there was a time when it was going to need to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 07:41 PM) KW philosphy is Hahns philosophy. Remember KWwanted to start the tear down 1 year earlier but JR wanted to try it for one more year with the veteran team. KW agreed with the change in the team direction. He always said there was a time when it was going to need to happen. I ask this honestly and not with sarcasm but was the idea of " rebuilding on the fly" a few years ago KW's idea or was he just going with JR's plan? The "rebuild on the fly" stuff KW used to speak of sounds like the time frame you describe JR wanting to give it one more go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 6, 2014 -> 01:41 AM) KW philosphy is Hahns philosophy. Remember KWwanted to start the tear down 1 year earlier but JR wanted to try it for one more year with the veteran team. KW agreed with the change in the team direction. He always said there was a time when it was going to need to happen. i really respect your knowledge and general overall skills. however, i will take this with a grain of salt. i really didn't believe it when it was posted before and i still don't. it reminds me of spinning a bad situation. but then again, what the hell do i know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Dec 6, 2014 -> 02:01 AM) I ask this honestly and not with sarcasm but was the idea of " rebuilding on the fly" a few years ago KW's idea or was he just going with JR's plan? The "rebuild on the fly" stuff KW used to speak of sounds like the time frame you describe JR wanting to give it one more go. yeah i know what you mean, to me i would believe he is throwing JR under the bus for the public consumptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 (edited) KW on the Score at 9:00 if that floats your boat. Edited December 6, 2014 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shago Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 06:42 PM) Then please explain to me why the Cubs draw well. They've had an even worse situation and yet they've never had any problem drawing fans. They have an awesome bar [stadium] in a great neighborhood in the middle of the city Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 08:33 PM) i really respect your knowledge and general overall skills. however, i will take this with a grain of salt. i really didn't believe it when it was posted before and i still don't. it reminds me of spinning a bad situation. but then again, what the hell do i know. This was just from what was reported and I'm taking at face value. KW said from about 2007 on that eventually they would do a complete rebuild when they thought the time was right. At tgat time he said that they still had a number of veterans performung well and they didn't feel it was time. Thus is not some i side knowledge, just quotes from KW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 (edited) The Yankees are going to go with a purely defensive shortstop, to replace Jeter. In trading for Gregorius, they have pretty much decided to accept the fact that SS will not provide any significant offense. That approach would be fine with me, as far as our Sox go. I really still don't know just how good Alexei is defensively, at this point in his career. We have gone round and round on this board, and I don't sense that there is any consensus. Let me ask the question this way; If the Sox could fill another major hole, by trading Ramirez, is there anyone who could fill his shoes, defensively? A few of you seemed to think that Saladino is the best defensive SS, who is reasonably close to Major League ready. That surprises me, as I didn't think that he was more than an average SS. L. Garcia is supposed to be pretty good with the leather, but his offense is pretty much a "black hole". Although scouting reports say that Diaz is a good defensive SS, with a very good arm, everyone here completely dismissed the notion that he might get regular playing time, if Alexei is traded. Semien is not a plus defender, and Sanchez is much better suited for 2ND. I'm interested in this issue, because it still seems quite feasible that the front office could view Ramirez as one of their only good trading "chips". With all of the middle infielders this organization has, it's pretty disappointing if none of them are good enough to fill the hole at SS, that would be created by the departure of Alexei, especially if we are only talking about a really good defensive SS, with little consideration to offensive production. If the Sox could acquire a middle of the order bat, for that last outfield spot, is it really that important if they get much production out of SS? The Yankees don't seem to mind going that route, and they have bigger shoes to fill than the Sox would, if Alexei left. Ramirez has been good, but he isn't the icon that Jeter has been in N.Y. We all know that Jeter was not really a very good defensive SS, in recent years. Nevertheless, it is N. Y. and they are replacing a "legend" with a "no hit", defensive wizard. Edited December 6, 2014 by Lillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 6, 2014 -> 02:34 PM) The Yankees are going to go with a purely defensive shortstop, to replace Jeter. In trading for Gregorius, they have pretty much decided to accept the fact that SS will not provide any significant offense. That approach would be fine with me, as far as our Sox go. I really still don't know just how good Alexei is defensively, at this point in his career. We have gone round and round on this board, and I don't sense that there is any consensus. Let me ask the question this way; If the Sox could fill another major hole, by trading Ramirez, is there anyone who could fill his shoes, defensively? A few of you seemed to think that Saladino is the best defensive SS, who is reasonably close to Major League ready. That surprises me, as I didn't think that he was more than an average SS. L. Garcia is supposed to be pretty good with the leather, but his offense is pretty much a "black hole". Although scouting reports say that Diaz is a good defensive SS, with a very good arm, everyone here completely dismissed the notion that he might get regular playing time, if Alexei is traded. Semien is not a plus defender, and Sanchez is much better suited for 2ND. I'm interested in this issue, because it still seems quite feasible that the front office could view Ramirez as one of their only good trading "chips". With all of the middle infielders this organization has, it's pretty disappointing if none of them are good enough to fill the hole at SS, that would be created by the departure of Alexei, especially if we are only talking about a really good defensive SS, with little consideration to offensive production. If the Sox could acquire a middle of the order bat, for that last outfield spot, is it really that important if they get much production out of SS? The Yankees don't seem to mind going that route, and they have bigger shoes to fill than the Sox would, if Alexei left. He's been good, but he isn't the icon that Jeter has been in N.Y. We all know that Jeter was not really a very good defensive SS, in recent years. Nevertheless, it is N. Y. and they are replacing a "legend" with a no hit, defensive wizard. I agree. If Alexei goes, it should be the best defensive option available especially if Hahn continues to acquire groundball type pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 6, 2014 -> 09:34 PM) The Yankees are going to go with a purely defensive shortstop, to replace Jeter. In trading for Gregorius, they have pretty much decided to accept the fact that SS will not provide any significant offense. That approach would be fine with me, as far as our Sox go. I really still don't know just how good Alexei is defensively, at this point in his career. We have gone round and round on this board, and I don't sense that there is any consensus. Let me ask the question this way; If the Sox could fill another major hole, by trading Ramirez, is there anyone who could fill his shoes, defensively? A few of you seemed to think that Saladino is the best defensive SS, who is reasonably close to Major League ready. That surprises me, as I didn't think that he was more than an average SS. L. Garcia is supposed to be pretty good with the leather, but his offense is pretty much a "black hole". Although scouting reports say that Diaz is a good defensive SS, with a very good arm, everyone here completely dismissed the notion that he might get regular playing time, if Alexei is traded. Semien is not a plus defender, and Sanchez is much better suited for 2ND. I'm interested in this issue, because it still seems quite feasible that the front office could view Ramirez as one of their only good trading "chips". With all of the middle infielders this organization has, it's pretty disappointing if none of them are good enough to fill the hole at SS, that would be created by the departure of Alexei, especially if we are only talking about a really good defensive SS, with little consideration to offensive production. If the Sox could acquire a middle of the order bat, for that last outfield spot, is it really that important if they get much production out of SS? The Yankees don't seem to mind going that route, and they have bigger shoes to fill than the Sox would, if Alexei left. Ramirez has been good, but he isn't the icon that Jeter has been in N.Y. We all know that Jeter was not really a very good defensive SS, in recent years. Nevertheless, it is N. Y. and they are replacing a "legend" with a "no hit", defensive wizard. Im not sure thats entirely the case regarding the Yankees. If it was, why not just use Brendan Ryan everyday at SS and keep Shane Greene? Gregorius has the ability/potential to hit righties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 QUOTE (Butter Parque @ Dec 6, 2014 -> 05:59 PM) Im not sure thats entirely the case regarding the Yankees. If it was, why not just use Brendan Ryan everyday at SS and keep Shane Greene? Gregorius has the ability/potential to hit righties. Would they have confidence in Ryan staying healthy as an everyday player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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