I would rather the Sox trade for Brandon Moss than the Indians

[Eminor3rd]

There, I said it. He's a perfect fit for our LF vacancy, and we still need a left handed bat, and he's still got two-years of control pre-free agency. I feel like we could get him without touching the top tier of our prospects. I would give Montas for him if I had to, though I'd try to aim lower.

 

Anyone think there's any chance we're the #mysteryteam?

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...;position=1B/OF

[iamshack]

There, I said it. He's a perfect fit for our LF vacancy, and we still need a left handed bat, and he's still got two-years of control pre-free agency. I feel like we could get him without touching the top tier of our prospects. I would give Montas for him if I had to, though I'd try to aim lower.

 

Anyone think there's any chance we're the #mysteryteam?

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...;position=1B/OF

Additionally, Bradon Moss would likely come cheaper than all the Indians.

[cabiness42]

Additionally, Bradon Moss would likely come cheaper than all the Indians.

 

Yeah, I don't think the Sox have enough prospects to get them all.

[caulfield12]

Is Moss really going to be any better than Michael Morse, Torii Hunter or even Dayan Viciedo in the OF?

 

Can the A's afford to part with even more offense with Donaldson a near-MVP talent as well as Cespedes gone?

 

 

If there's one thing that's certain, it's that we shouldn't be worsening a defense with any acquisition we make. Now that's hard to do in the case of LF, but Moss isn't going to be a Rasmus or even on par with Markakis/DeAza/Aoki out there.

[Melissa1334]

He was awful the second half this season. Next Dunn?lol

[Whisox05]

Is Moss really going to be any better than Michael Morse, Torii Hunter or even Dayan Viciedo in the OF?

 

Can the A's afford to part with even more offense with Donaldson a near-MVP talent as well as Cespedes gone?

 

 

If there's one thing that's certain, it's that we shouldn't be worsening a defense with any acquisition we make. Now that's hard to do in the case of LF, but Moss isn't going to be a Rasmus or even on par with Markakis/DeAza/Aoki out there.

 

Again he's going to make up to 7 million for 2015 in his second year of arbitration. Thats up from 4 million in 2014. Also just had hip surgery. Going to trade him to save money to reinvest back into team and get more players back.

Edited December 5, 2014 by WhiteSoxLifer

[caulfield12]

The A's are either rebuilding on they're not.

 

If they trade Samardzija, they pretty much have no choice but to rebuild the next couple of seasons. At least that's the signal they're sending.

 

 

I also don't believe the Indians with their Swisher/Bourne experiences are going to be so quick to take on another "bigger" contract who's only under team control for 2 more years. That's the opposite of the Indians' normal style of locking up those players like Santana and Kipnis into their first or second FA years.

 

With their young pitchers, their best window of opportunity is 2016-2018, just like the White Sox.

[GreenSox]

Is Moss really going to be any better than Michael Morse, Torii Hunter or even Dayan Viciedo in the OF?

 

Can the A's afford to part with even more offense with Donaldson a near-MVP talent as well as Cespedes gone?

Not much better - he's declined each of the last 3 years.

 

Trading Samardjiza isn't a sign of rebuilding. They lose him after this year anyway. Intelligent teams don't operate on 1 year windows. Trading Cespedes, whom they'd also lose this year, was to shore up a team in a pennant race.

[Whisox05]

The A's are either rebuilding on they're not.

 

If they trade Samardzija, they pretty much have no choice but to rebuild the next couple of seasons. At least that's the signal they're sending.

 

 

I also don't believe the Indians with their Swisher/Bourne experiences are going to be so quick to take on another "bigger" contract who's only under team control for 2 more years. That's the opposite of the Indians' normal style of locking up those players like Santana and Kipnis into their first or second FA years.

 

With their young pitchers, their best window of opportunity is 2016-2018, just like the White Sox.

 

Just because they trade Samardzija doesn't mean they are rebuilding. They have starting pitchers coming back that were injured last year to fill in Samardzija spot thats cheaper. They have Sonny Gray, Kendall Graveman, AJ griffin, Jesse chavez, Scott Kazmir, Jarod Parker and Drew Pomeranz. Thats way more depth then the sox have and better pitchers then some of what the sox have. They trade Samardzija and shed salary and get more players back to fill in other places. Thats the whole point of money ball is to replace expensive players with cheaper players and try to get the same production. They trade players who get expensive in arbitration or going to leave for free agency and get a bunch of players in return along with drafting. Its the opposite with what kenny williams did over the the years. Kenny traded what ever prospects the sox had for expensive veterans which is the reason the farm system was so bad. tho you also have to mix in bad scouting in drafts. You have to blend drafting, trading players you aren't going to be able to keep for prospects and free agency which is what Hahn has been doing over the last year and half till now.

Edited December 5, 2014 by WhiteSoxLifer

[Boopa1219]

There, I said it. He's a perfect fit for our LF vacancy, and we still need a left handed bat, and he's still got two-years of control pre-free agency. I feel like we could get him without touching the top tier of our prospects. I would give Montas for him if I had to, though I'd try to aim lower.

 

Anyone think there's any chance we're the #mysteryteam?

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...;position=1B/OF

 

You're going to give up one of the top pitching prospects in the system who projects as both a solid starter and closer for a stop gap LF? That's a bad move.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Moss would be alright with me, but I'm not giving up Montas.

[witesoxfan]

Not much better - he's declined each of the last 3 years.

 

This is patently false. He's only been an above average player for 3 years so declining the last 3 years doesn't work. He's been a perfectly good player the last 3 years and superior to those aforementioned anyways.

 

He's not my favorite option, but he's an option. He's mediocre defensively and will cost tangible players with names. If they are talking, yes thats the right thing to do. If it involves giving up a prospect like Montas, no, I do not believe that is the right thing to do.

[LDF]

 

maybe i am kind of being unrealistic here. I think acquiring Moss is the kind

of move that Hahn would do. the kind of player that will fit, with what i see

how the sox is establishing their philosophy, getting players who are

already major league players. in other words, not trading for prospects.

 

One main problem is what i keep on saying, iit seem that I have a theme.

"At what cost would it take to get this trade done."

 

let me also explain. if the sox had a full farm system, a system that, for

an example is ranked 5-10 in all of mlb. then yes, may that trade with

prospects.

[Eminor3rd]

He was awful the second half this season. Next Dunn?lol

 

Fortunately, half season splits have been exhaustively shown not to be predictive.

 

You're going to give up one of the top pitching prospects in the system who projects as both a solid starter and closer for a stop gap LF? That's a bad move.

 

I'm not sure how you see him as a stopgap. Is it because he only has two years of control? He would be a substantial upgrade to our lineup at a very affordable rate. He adds two wins over Viciedo, easily. Assuming he doesn't come with chronic health issues.

 

Also, I believe pretty strongly that Montas is going to be a reliever. I like the idea of selling him at his peak value, when there's still a chance of him sticking at starter.

[GreenSox]

maybe i am kind of being unrealistic here. I think acquiring Moss is the kind

of move that Hahn would do. the kind of player that will fit, with what i see

how the sox is establishing their philosophy, getting players who are

already major league players. in other words, not trading for prospects.

 

One main problem is what i keep on saying, iit seem that I have a theme.

"At what cost would it take to get this trade done."

 

let me also explain. if the sox had a full farm system, a system that, for

an example is ranked 5-10 in all of mlb. then yes, may that trade with

prospects.

Exactly - that's why you want a strong, deep farm. The cost to you of each prospect is far less than if you have a thin farm like the Sox.

I haven't' seen Hahn trade for an established major leaguer yet.

Instead he's traded for guys who are just past the prospect stage, and just starting their careers like Eaton and Gillaspie. I'd like to continue down that road, using only FA for the veterans.

 

[witesoxfan]

Also, I believe pretty strongly that Montas is going to be a reliever. I like the idea of selling him at his peak value, when there's still a chance of him sticking at starter.

 

I don't know that this is necessarily a good reason to trade him for Brandon Moss though. I think, given the helium in Montas's stock over the past 15 months, you want to capitalize on his ceiling as a starting pitcher rather than his projection as a reliever. I don't think you want to trade him unless it's for an elite or semi-elite kind of player, and I'm not sure that Moss fits that level.

 

I'd have no problem dealing a couple legitimately decent prospects for him because he'd be a nice left handed bat in the middle of the lineup, but Montas seems a bit much at this point.

[Eminor3rd]

I don't know that this is necessarily a good reason to trade him for Brandon Moss though. I think, given the helium in Montas's stock over the past 15 months, you want to capitalize on his ceiling as a starting pitcher rather than his projection as a reliever. I don't think you want to trade him unless it's for an elite or semi-elite kind of player, and I'm not sure that Moss fits that level.

 

I'd have no problem dealing a couple legitimately decent prospects for him because he'd be a nice left handed bat in the middle of the lineup, but Montas seems a bit much at this point.

 

Yeah I mean I'm not like EAGER to trade Montas for Moss, just saying that would be my ceiling.

 

Also I have to admit that now that I'm less drunk, I don't like Moss QUITE as much.

 

But I still think he'd be a big upgrade for us, and I think when we see what the Indians give up, it'll be less than we expected.

Edited December 5, 2014 by Eminor3rd

[shysocks]

Don't overvalue prospects. I think Moss would come fairly cheap and would be an okay solution. The year-over-year offensive decline is a worry.

[GreenSox]

How's Moss' defense?

Top 100 prospect for 2 years of Moss isn't exactly peak value.

[witesoxfan]

Yeah I mean I'm not like EAGER to trade Montas for Moss, just saying that would be my ceiling.

 

Also I have to admit that now that I'm less drunk, I don't like Moss QUITE as much.

 

But I still think he'd be a big upgrade for us, and I think when we see what the Indians give up, it'll be less than we expected.

 

In Blengino's article yesterday about Donaldson, he made a really interesting point when talking about Felix:

 

When I worked for the Mariners, we were often contacted regarding Felix Hernandez‘ potential availability. You listen, you don’t necessarily say he’s untouchable, but you know the price is so obscenely high that talks aren’t likely to get far. Teams try to overwhelm you with quantity, which can actually be a negative, due to the roster spots involved.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/some-belate...donaldson-deal/

 

Where I am going with that is basically that I think elite prospects, which we can safely assume Montas is at least on the precipice of being if not already there, are even MORE valuable then their semi-less talented contemporaries based solely on that talent alone due to the roster crunch. Given that, I think you want to save that added value to trade him for an elite or semi-elite player, and I don't think we can safe Moss is that at this point in his career.

 

I'd definitely give up some prospects for him, just not sure what yet, but I don't know that I'd give up anyone in the top 10. Maybe Beck/Bassitt and Ravelo? Not a lot, but they're legitimate prospects and should be MLB contributors even as soon as this season.

[Eminor3rd]

In Blengino's article yesterday about Donaldson, he made a really interesting point when talking about Felix:

 

 

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/some-belate...donaldson-deal/

 

Where I am going with that is basically that I think elite prospects, which we can safely assume Montas is at least on the precipice of being if not already there, are even MORE valuable then their semi-less talented contemporaries based solely on that talent alone due to the roster crunch. Given that, I think you want to save that added value to trade him for an elite or semi-elite player, and I don't think we can safe Moss is that at this point in his career.

 

I'd definitely give up some prospects for him, just not sure what yet, but I don't know that I'd give up anyone in the top 10. Maybe Beck/Bassitt and Ravelo? Not a lot, but they're legitimate prospects and should be MLB contributors even as soon as this season.

 

I actually had that quotation in mind when I was thinking about what Moss might cost, haha. That was the only part of the article that stuck with me.

 

Here's the other thing: forget about Montas. I bet that a big part of what the Indians send is a MI of some type, probably close to the MLB if not ready to take a shot. They're not giving up Lindor, so whoever they give up should theoretically be in the neighborhood, value-wise, of our own glut of 2B/SS types. I know you love Semien, but that sounds like a reasonable piece from us.

[witesoxfan]

I actually had that quotation in mind when I was thinking about what Moss might cost, haha. That was the only part of the article that stuck with me.

 

Here's the other thing: forget about Montas. I bet that a big part of what the Indians send is a MI of some type, probably close to the MLB if not ready to take a shot. They're not giving up Lindor, so whoever they give up should theoretically be in the neighborhood, value-wise, of our own glut of 2B/SS types. I know you love Semien, but that sounds like a reasonable piece from us.

 

NO GIVE THEM SANCHEZ OR JOHNSON, NOT MY SEMIEN

 

(this does not read well out of context)

[southsider2k5]

In Blengino's article yesterday about Donaldson, he made a really interesting point when talking about Felix:

 

 

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/some-belate...donaldson-deal/

 

Where I am going with that is basically that I think elite prospects, which we can safely assume Montas is at least on the precipice of being if not already there, are even MORE valuable then their semi-less talented contemporaries based solely on that talent alone due to the roster crunch. Given that, I think you want to save that added value to trade him for an elite or semi-elite player, and I don't think we can safe Moss is that at this point in his career.

 

I'd definitely give up some prospects for him, just not sure what yet, but I don't know that I'd give up anyone in the top 10. Maybe Beck/Bassitt and Ravelo? Not a lot, but they're legitimate prospects and should be MLB contributors even as soon as this season.

 

 

Which is why a young, cheap, major league star hitter is the starting point of any Chris Sale deal.

[LDF]

 

many a teams, if thinking about trading with the Sox, will start off by asking for

Anderson and / or Montas..

 

btw, i see Bassitt value as high as Montas. it any team wants to trade a blue chip

prospect or young player, for Bassitt or Montas, i may consider, depending how

much more the sox will need to add.

[Eminor3rd]

NO GIVE THEM SANCHEZ OR JOHNSON, NOT MY SEMIEN

 

(this does not read well out of context)

 

Haha.

 

Micah Johnson and some unknown live arms for Brandon Moss. Would you do that? I think I would.