southsider2k5 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Darren Viola @RRepoz 42m42 minutes ago Lynn Henning: "I was told by BBWAA officials this year that the Hall of Fame bosses want ballots to be private." http://tinyurl.com/n583qx5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 They should all be revealed. Got a reason to be ashamed of your votes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 They should all be revealed. Got a reason to be ashamed of your votes? Revealed after balloting is final? Sure. Revealed before then? No, can have too much influence over other voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 The Gizmo is back. http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/newsst...ll%20of%20Fame/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/newsst...ollecting_gizmo 47 votes in. Pedro, Unit, and Smoltz are locks, and it's looking good for Biggio and Piazza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 22, 2014 Author Share Posted December 22, 2014 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 22, 2014 -> 10:18 AM) http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/newsst...ollecting_gizmo 47 votes in. Pedro, Unit, and Smoltz are locks, and it's looking good for Biggio and Piazza. I really would like to see Raines get it, but it isn't looking good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 22, 2014 -> 10:21 AM) I really would like to see Raines get it, but it isn't looking good. Raines should be in. He was definitely under appreciated from Age 28-35. 81-87, he was a superstar, but missed key time because of a strike and collusion in 1987. 88-95, he probably wasn't a star player, but his OBP was still .375. Career .385 OBP, all time SB percentage leader...yeah, I don't get it. Probably a combination of the cocaine thing, not being a star in his post-Expos years, undervaluing walks, and being a bench player for a 6-7 years have kept him out. There's a lot of bad perception here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Raines should be in. He was definitely under appreciated from Age 28-35. 81-87, he was a superstar, but missed key time because of a strike and collusion in 1987. 88-95, he probably wasn't a star player, but his OBP was still .375. Career .385 OBP, all time SB percentage leader...yeah, I don't get it. Probably a combination of the cocaine thing, not being a star in his post-Expos years, undervaluing walks, and being a bench player for a 6-7 years have kept him out. There's a lot of bad perception here. 16% of voters didn't vote for Frank Thomas. You just can't use logic with a group like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 26, 2014 Author Share Posted December 26, 2014 http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/newsst...ollecting_gizmo The 2015 HOF Ballot Collecting Gizmo! Updated 9:00 ~ 79 Full Ballots ~ (13.8% of vote ~ based on last year) ~ As usual…BBWAA ballot digging is welcome! 98.7 - P. Martinez 98.7 - R. Johnson 87.3 - Smoltz 82.3 - Biggio 79.7 - Piazza ———————————— 73.4 - Bagwell 64.6 - Raines 58.2 - Schilling 44.3 - Bonds 43.0 - Clemens 43.0 - Mussina 29.1 - E. Martinez 22.8 - Trammell 17.7 - McGriff 15.2 - Lee Smith 13.9 - Kent 7.6 - L. Walker 6.3 - Sheffield 6.3 - McGwire 5.1 - Sosa ————————————- 1.3 - Garciaparra 1.3 - Mattingly 1.3 - Pete Rose (McWrite-In) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Wow, Sosa is close to being removed from the ballot completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 How is it Piazza doesn't get caught into the steroid backlash? His back was loaded with zits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 26, 2014 Author Share Posted December 26, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 26, 2014 -> 12:56 PM) How is it Piazza doesn't get caught into the steroid backlash? His back was loaded with zits. I don't get how Sosa does, and Piazza doesn't. Both have as much evidence of steroid use as the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3GamesToLove Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 26, 2014 -> 01:56 PM) How is it Piazza doesn't get caught into the steroid backlash? His back was loaded with zits. Facetious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3GamesToLove Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Smoltz being so far ahead of Mussina and Schilling is a head-scratcher. Writers just must really like the idea of putting all three of the Braves' Cy winners in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (OsweGo-Go Sox @ Dec 26, 2014 -> 12:58 PM) Facetious? No. There was an article about Piazza and steroids several years ago. It was mentioned his back had a ton of zits, one common side effect. He is obviously considered a steroid user by some, or there is no way he's not a first ballot HOFer as a catcher, and I think this is his 3rd year of eligibilty, and he looks to be barely above the cutoff. Edited December 26, 2014 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 If Mike Piazza is in the Hall of Fame and Barry Bonds isn't, it pretty much takes away any credibility the HOF had left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 They should be able to keep their ballots private if they want to. You're supposed to make the right vote, not the popular one. If backlash will have a chilling effect, then you can't make them public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 26, 2014 -> 10:30 PM) They should be able to keep their ballots private if they want to. You're supposed to make the right vote, not the popular one. If backlash will have a chilling effect, then you can't make them public. If you're not willing to stand behind your vote then I don't believe you think it's the "right" one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 27, 2014 -> 09:54 AM) If you're not willing to stand behind your vote then I don't believe you think it's the "right" one. Or the truly right vote isn't the popular vote. Why piss off your readers to do the right thing? Secret ballots are how we decide most elections. I would rather they vote and not be able to use it as a marketing piece for their careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 QUOTE (Tex @ Dec 27, 2014 -> 12:16 PM) Or the truly right vote isn't the popular vote. Why piss off your readers to do the right thing? Secret ballots are how we decide most elections. I would rather they vote and not be able to use it as a marketing piece for their careers. Give me an example. If you think tetrahydrogestrinone belongs in the hall of fame, or you think Greg Maddux does not belong there, tell me why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 You have to realize that in some cases, these guys might even be impacting their job security. They've been chosen as fit to make these judgments and don't have to justify anything to random people like us. If they do want to make justifications, great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 27, 2014 -> 02:47 PM) Give me an example. If you think tetrahydrogestrinone belongs in the hall of fame, or you think Greg Maddux does not belong there, tell me why. You are a writer covering the Cubs in Chicago and think Sosa should not be in the HoF. The Cubs management believes it will sell tickets, etc etc. You will not be welcome around their clubhouse if your no to Sosa vote is made public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 83-year-old BBWAA member, Garry Brown, forgot to vote Smoltz because of a "brain freeze". But did vote for Randy Johnson, who was thought to have been left off his ballot too. Randy Johnson is at 100% through 93 votes. Garry Brown is the epitome of somebody who should no longer vote on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 3 locks. Biggio will probably hang on for a record 4th. Expecting Piazza to fall below. Decent chance McGwire, Sosa, and Sheffield will fall off--which is nice. Updated 12:40 ~ 101 Full Ballots ~ (17.7% of vote ~ based on last year) 99.0 - R. Johnson 98.0 - P. Martinez 89.1 - Smoltz 84.2 - Biggio 78.2 - Piazza ———————————— 72.3 - Bagwell 62.4 - Raines 59.4 - Schilling 42.6 - Mussina 42.6 - Bonds 41.6 - Clemens 28.7 - E. Martinez 22.7 - Trammell 16.8 - McGriff 15.8 - Lee Smith 14.9 - Kent 9.9 - L. Walker 5.9 - McGwire 5.9 - Sheffield 5.9 - Sosa ————————————- 2.0 - Mattingly 1.0 - Garciaparra 1.0 - Delgado 1.0 - Pete Rose (McWrite-In) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Daily Herald writers... http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2015010...orts/150109652/ Anyone who has room on their ballot for Sammy Sosa or Mark McGwire is an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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