Princess Dye Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 moved to the more appropriate thread, but in short: he preferred our east-ness to seattle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 08:02 AM) Someone on Twitter (Maybe Merkin?) suggested the Sox should trade Viciedo for a comp draft pick, I would take that in a deal. THat would be ideal. It would more than replace the second round pick we lost, though I bet the team doesn't make that move so it can save the money from the 2nd and 3rd round picks to use on the major league team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Someone on Twitter (Maybe Merkin?) suggested the Sox should trade Viciedo for a comp draft pick, I would take that in a deal. What team would do that though? I can't see any team giving up a draft pick for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 10:18 AM) If the Sox release him they will owe him right around 750K not the 4M he got in arbitration. That's right. Hahn has until two weeks before Opening Day to move him and only be on the hook for 750K, instead of 4.4M. I believe that release of DV at that point in time is the backup plan to moving him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 01:39 PM) That's right. Hahn has until two weeks before Opening Day to move him and only be on the hook for 750K, instead of 4.4M. I believe that release of DV at that point in time is the backup plan to moving him. So if they release him and another team signs him, what is the salary? The negotiated deal or some portion of the 4.4 million? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 03:00 PM) So if they release him and another team signs him, what is the salary? The negotiated deal or some portion of the 4.4 million? They haven't negotiated a deal yet, I'm guessing the penalty they're talking about relates to a guy who goes through the full arbitration process and is released rather than signs an actual extension. As of right now, the $4.4 million is an estimate produced by Baseball-Reference's calculator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 02:00 PM) So if they release him and another team signs him, what is the salary? The negotiated deal or some portion of the 4.4 million? The portion. Arb contracts don't become fully guaranteed until a week or two before the regular season begins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Maybe I'm being ignorant here but why tender Viciedo if they no intent on keeping him. Now there is talk about settling for a comp pick? Just seems dumb to me, I suppose. I would have rather had Ichiro vs another year of Viciedo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 03:27 PM) Maybe I'm being ignorant here but why tender Viciedo if they no intent on keeping him. Now there is talk about settling for a comp pick? Just seems dumb to me, I suppose. I would have rather had Ichiro vs another year of Viciedo. A comp pick is far better than nothing. IIRC, that pick will be before the pick the Sox gave up for Robertson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 01:28 PM) A comp pick is far better than nothing. IIRC, that pick will be before the pick the Sox gave up for Robertson. How would the Sox get that high of a comp pick for him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 03:31 PM) How would the Sox get that high of a comp pick for him? There are 2 rounds of competitve balance picks. After the first round and after round 2. So depending who they traded with, they either in essence will replace the 2nd rounder they gave up for Robertson or the 3rd rounder the gave up for Melky. I still think there is a chance someone will give up a player for Viciedo's potential, but a pick wouldn't be bad. If you get one after the second round, you basically traded Viciedo for Melky and move up in the draft maybe 10 picks or so , while adding about $10 million to your 2015 payroll. Edited December 14, 2014 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 03:27 PM) Maybe I'm being ignorant here but why tender Viciedo if they no intent on keeping him. Now there is talk about settling for a comp pick? Just seems dumb to me, I suppose. I would have rather had Ichiro vs another year of Viciedo. At the time, if the Sox did not tender Viciedo, Danks or Shuck would be your starting LF. That is just too risky to even think about. Plus there's no guarantee that a player like Ichiro would want to come to the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I was complaining about tendering Viciedo a contract a couple of days ago but with the ability to cut him and only take on 750k or whatever, there was really no point in not tendering him a contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 03:40 PM) I was complaining about tendering Viciedo a contract a couple of days ago but with the ability to cut him and only take on 750k or whatever, there was really no point in not tendering him a contract. It would really be surprising if it went that far. I am pretty sure they knew they could trade him. $4 million isn't all that much, and despite what a lot want to think, this guy is still pretty young and has a lot of power. Edited December 14, 2014 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 01:45 PM) It would really be surprising if it went that far. I am pretty sure they knew they could trade him. $4 million isn't all that much, and despite what a lot want to think, this guy is still pretty young and has a lot of power. Would be a phenomenal slap in the face for the Mariners fans on twitter if we not only landed Melky but traded Viciedo that way, too. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 02:03 PM) They haven't negotiated a deal yet, I'm guessing the penalty they're talking about relates to a guy who goes through the full arbitration process and is released rather than signs an actual extension. As of right now, the $4.4 million is an estimate produced by Baseball-Reference's calculator. Thanks, got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 As an aside,let me say that competitive balance picks are so bogus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 10:23 PM) As an aside,let me say that competitive balance picks are so bogus. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Crasnick reporting Mariners are close to getting a hitter. He didn't use quotes on "hitter", but maybe the Viciedo trade is close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 16, 2014 -> 04:43 PM) Crasnick reporting Mariners are close to getting a hitter. He didn't use quotes on "hitter", but maybe the Viciedo trade is close. Hahn did say as soon as they were done with the presser, he was going down the hallway to work on the next thing. Maybe he meant that literally. /crosses fingers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 01:27 PM) Maybe I'm being ignorant here but why tender Viciedo if they no intent on keeping him. Now there is talk about settling for a comp pick? Just seems dumb to me, I suppose. I would have rather had Ichiro vs another year of Viciedo. Because no matter what the offseason plan was , Hahn couldn't be 100% sure he would be able to get the guys he wanted. Plus something for him is always better than nothing but if it ends up nothing then so be it. Move on and give him his 750K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 16, 2014 -> 04:43 PM) Crasnick reporting Mariners are close to getting a hitter. He didn't use quotes on "hitter", but maybe the Viciedo trade is close. Please, let this be true. PLEASE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 All the Mariners fans on Twitter seem to think it's Dayan and aren't happy. Obviously means nothing, but it is good to see the chatter of this rumor is as loud on their side as it is ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 PLEASE give us Ackley as our starting 2B! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 16, 2014 -> 04:55 PM) All the Mariners fans on Twitter seem to think it's Dayan and aren't happy. Obviously means nothing, but it is good to see the chatter of this rumor is as loud on their side as it is ours. You would think they would have grown to like him after all this time of being rumored to going to the M's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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