GreenSox Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Can't wait for that 720 ops signed til he's 37. Young LF please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 10, 2014 -> 10:51 AM) Can't wait for that 720 ops signed til he's 37. Young LF please. You keep pointing to his .720 OPS as if it's in any way likely to resemble his numbers going forward. It was by far the worst offensive performance of his career and it's not like he's 34, he's 29. It's a completely unrealistic idea anyway, but stop misrepresenting the player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 10, 2014 -> 09:23 AM) That's not what made those teams what they are - Those teams would trade every veteran they had with a pulse for prospects. Plenty of teams who win don't trade their top prospects. See the Cardinals in St Louis, e.g. It also helps that teams that do trade them - Boston e.g. - produces a heck of a lot of them. The Sox don't. How many top prospects have been traded aroud MLB in the last year? Darn few. The As didn't get a single one for Donaldson or Shark or Moss. I'm all for trading prospects- for young talent. Not for decliners who are signed until they are 37. Nor for stodgy, unathletic low OBP sluggers that are popular in these parts. People also seem to analyze reputation, and not look at actual numbers....like OPS in the low 600s. Trading Rodon for Will Myers (if it could be done) would be laughably awful. As for Rodon, he's a college pitcher that dominated the lower minors and is good enough for the pen today. He is RAdinsky if EVERYTHING goes wrong. I remember the Sox trading their best prospects for luminaries such as Swisher and Edwin Jackson and Vasquez. That didn't get us anywhere. I would disagree. I would always trade for the proven veteran over the prospect, most of which will fail. It's a different philosophy but I prefer the known to the unknown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 10, 2014 -> 10:51 AM) Can't wait for that 720 ops signed til he's 37. Young LF please. Young dooens't mean better and young really talented players cost more in money and talent if there is a trade. If longoria was 5 years younger he would cost a lot more. so this young player will cost alot to obtain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 10, 2014 -> 11:07 AM) Young dooens't mean better and young really talented players cost more in money and talent if there is a trade. If longoria was 5 years younger he would cost a lot more. so this young player will cost alot to obtain. And that .720 screams outlier to me. He hadn't been below .845 ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 10, 2014 -> 09:08 AM) Wonderful. Trade our next Sale for a .614 OPS. Or is it a .724 OPS. And it doesn't even touch on the key need of LF. The "grass is always greener" is growing like mad. I'm not saying they would or should trade Rodon, but a prospect with the ceiling he has, and club control, etc., that's the type of prospect that can probably land (or at least make another team think hard) a premier player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) Where did this Longoria thing come from? If it's only Mully & Hanley, that's not good enough. After losing their GM and Manager, moving Longoria would be pretty dumb. Might as well get the Baltimore Colts Mayflower trucks packed up and move to Montreal. Edited December 10, 2014 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayan024 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Bruce Levine was on 670 at 8:20 this morning saying the Rays were going to trade Longoria and said the Sox and Cubs would be good fits for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 If the Rays are at the point where they have to unload Longoria, they might as well pack up and leave Florida. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 QUOTE (dayan024 @ Dec 10, 2014 -> 11:39 AM) Bruce Levine was on 670 at 8:20 this morning saying the Rays were going to trade Longoria and said the Sox and Cubs would be good fits for him ok, I'll be looking for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Oh look... https://twitter.com/TBTimes_Rays/status/542735963420495872 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpd9189 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 TB Times Rays guy Marc Topkin @TBTimes_Rays 5m5 minutes ago #Rays Longoria trade chatter (#Cubs, #WhiteSox) no more than usual winter meetings rumor mill stuff; highly, highly, unlikely he's dealt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 10, 2014 -> 11:22 AM) And that .720 screams outlier to me. He hadn't been below .845 ever. Yup and even though he had the worst season of his career he was still a 3.4 fWAR player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 10, 2014 -> 06:41 PM) ok, I'll be looking for that. damn, sox doesn't have the prospects to get it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneofthemikes Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I feel like this is the same kind of pipe dream as Sale-to-Boston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ Dec 10, 2014 -> 11:50 AM) I feel like this is the same kind of pipe dream as Sale-to-Boston. 10. PAGES. TEN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlSoxfan Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 10, 2014 -> 12:53 PM) I'd be ecstatic if the Sox got either. I wonder if a bigger trade with Quintana involved would get it done. I don't know why the Rays are looking to make these trades though. Their rotation is still awesome with Moore, Cobb, Smyly, Archer, Ordrizzi and Nate Karns, who I think has a great arm, as insurance. Something huge like Quintana, Anderson, Gillaspie, Viciedo, Beck and Hawkins for Longo, DeJesus and Odorizzi. We can dream right? CF Eaton LF DeJesus 1B Abreu 3B Longoria DH LaRoche RF Garcia SS Alexei C Flowers 2B Sanchez/Johnson Thats a good lookin lineup, but swap Myers for DeJesus and we got a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 You're not going to convince the Rays to trade Longoria if they don't already want to. If, if for some reason they are considering dealing him (forget adding Myers) for strategic reasons, would a package of Anderson, Danish, Montas and Hawkins get you in the door at least? It would be a starter, but would probably need some sweetening. It would also wipe out the Sox farm system... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Dec 10, 2014 -> 12:26 PM) You're not going to convince the Rays to trade Longoria if they don't already want to. If, if for some reason they are considering dealing him (forget adding Myers) for strategic reasons, would a package of Anderson, Danish, Montas and Hawkins get you in the door at least? It would be a starter, but would probably need some sweetening. It would also wipe out the Sox farm system... Maybe? I would think Q would have to be included for them to do it. We know that a Q-Bruce swap was discussed earlier in the off-season so you know Hahn is at least open to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 QUOTE (southside hitman @ Dec 10, 2014 -> 12:29 PM) Maybe? I would think Q would have to be included for them to do it. We know that a Q-Bruce swap was discussed earlier in the off-season so you know Hahn is at least open to that. I understand that value-wise, but I don't see why the Rays would want Quintana is they're trading Longoria. I would rather use minor leaguers, but if Quintana were the centerpiece I would think it would have to be a three-way somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Dec 10, 2014 -> 12:42 PM) I understand that value-wise, but I don't see why the Rays would want Quintana is they're trading Longoria. I would rather use minor leaguers, but if Quintana were the centerpiece I would think it would have to be a three-way somehow. Same reason they acquired Smyly for Price, less risk of busting, multiple years of control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlSoxfan Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 10, 2014 -> 01:11 PM) I'd be surprised if the Rays did the hypothetical deal I concocted. They would never do it if it were Myers instead of DeJesus. Just kidding really. The whole things a pipe dream IMO. but one never knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Too bad we already traded Phegley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 10, 2014 -> 12:51 PM) 10. PAGES. TEN Do we still have Zach Stewart? Maybe they'll take Zach Stewart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I see someone stole our quarter out of the wishing well. Knew this was fantasy haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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