This Team Needs Another Starting Pitcher

[Eminor3rd]

Without looking it up, tell me which 2014 line was John Danks, and which was Hector Noesi:

 

4.75 ERA (4.83 FIP), 6.42 K/9, 2.92 BB/9, 1.46 HR/9, 38% GB (0.6 fWAR)

4.74 ERA (4.76 FIP), 5.99 K/9, 3.44 BB/9, 1.16 HR/9, 42% GB (0.8 fWAR)

 

Actually, don't bother. I already forget which one is which because they're basically the same. If John Danks is unacceptable, Hector Noesi is also unacceptable.

 

Rodon's ETA is not guaranteed, nor is his instant dominance when he does arrive. The best remaining options behind these two are Andre Rienzo and Eric Surkamp. Chris Beck? This team needs another arm.

Edited December 10, 2014 by Eminor3rd

[LDF]

Without looking it up, tell me which 2014 line was John Danks, and which was Hector Noesi:

 

4.75 ERA (4.83 FIP), 6.42 K/9, 2.92 BB/9, 1.46 HR/9, 38% GB (0.6 fWAR)

4.74 ERA (4.76 FIP), 5.99 K/9, 3.44 BB/9, 1.16 HR/9, 42% GB (0.8 fWAR)

 

Actually, don't bother. I already forget which one is which because they're basically the same. If John Danks is unacceptable, Hector Noesi is also unacceptable.

 

Rodon's ETA is not guaranteed, nor is his instant dominance when he does arrive. The best remaining options behind these two are Andre Rienzo and Eric Surkamp. Cris Beck? This team needs another arm.

 

i couldn't have put it any better.

[Dam8610]

Wasn't Noesi's line with just the White Sox much better overall? I seem to remember a third of a run difference in his overall ERA and his White Sox only ERA.

[Buehrle>Wood]

Don't you think it's unfair to include his pre-Sox, pre starting pitcher days? It was only 6 games, but he was the worst pitcher in the league then.

 

 

He at least improved a little with us. But yeah, starting pitching depth is going to be the biggest weakness of this team.

Edited December 10, 2014 by Buehrle>Wood

[NorthSideSox72]

Without looking it up, tell me which 2014 line was John Danks, and which was Hector Noesi:

 

4.75 ERA (4.83 FIP), 6.42 K/9, 2.92 BB/9, 1.46 HR/9, 38% GB (0.6 fWAR)

4.74 ERA (4.76 FIP), 5.99 K/9, 3.44 BB/9, 1.16 HR/9, 42% GB (0.8 fWAR)

 

Actually, don't bother. I already forget which one is which because they're basically the same. If John Danks is unacceptable, Hector Noesi is also unacceptable.

 

Rodon's ETA is not guaranteed, nor is his instant dominance when he does arrive. The best remaining options behind these two are Andre Rienzo and Eric Surkamp. Chris Beck? This team needs another arm.

The cost difference is important for the team's future. But you are right that either one, really, should be your #5. Need a #4 other than Waiting for Rodon.

 

Rienzo and Surkamp are relievers anyway, they aren't starting unless something has gone wrong. Beck, and maybe Recchia, are the guys I'd slot in as depth, but neither are likely to be any better than those two (at least not at first) and need another year to develop. Carroll on a MiLB deal to re-sign makes nice depth, but again, that 4th slot is screaming for a 1-year rental or maybe 2 years at most. And ideally they can trade Danks at some point.

 

McCarthy would be great, but others may work too.

 

[chw42]

Wasn't Noesi's line with just the White Sox much better overall? I seem to remember a third of a run difference in his overall ERA and his White Sox only ERA.

 

His ERA was 4.39. But his FIP was around 4.7. In other words, he wasn't that good. As a 5th starter, he's acceptable, but if you want to be a contender, you need to have arms better than him and Danks as your 4 and 5.

Edited December 10, 2014 by chw42

[greg775]

Three good starting pitchers are enough. If Q, Sale and Shark do well, that's more than enough because Danks is fine for a No. 4. Surely somebody in the organization is good enough to be our righty starter No. 5 because we need at least 2 righties.

[lasttriptotulsa]

The reason that Danks was unacceptable was because he went into the season with expectations of being our 3rd best starter and was making $14 million. If Danks was a fifth starter making peanuts like Noesi, nobody would have any complaints. While I agree we should probably add another starter, unless Rodon is ready, Noesi was perfectly acceptable as a fifth starter.

 

I would be perfectly content with my fifth starter putting up a 4.39 ERA over 166 innings.

[Eminor3rd]

Don't you think it's unfair to include his pre-Sox, pre starting pitcher days? It was only 6 games, but he was the worst pitcher in the league then.

 

 

He at least improved a little with us. But yeah, starting pitching depth is going to be the biggest weakness of this team.

 

It would be unfair, but it was actually only six INNINGS. So it skews it a touch, but not much, and also he DID throw those innings.

 

[NorthSideSox72]

The reason that Danks was unacceptable was because he went into the season with expectations of being our 3rd best starter and was making $14 million. If Danks was a fifth starter making peanuts like Noesi, nobody would have any complaints. While I agree we should probably add another starter, unless Rodon is ready, Noesi was perfectly acceptable as a fifth starter.

 

I would be perfectly content with my fifth starter putting up a 4.39 ERA over 166 innings.

No doubt. But that's just it, it should be one of Noesi OR Danks as the #5, with Beck/Recchia/Carroll/whomever as 6-8 in Charlotte. Need that 4th guy for a year at least.

 

[VAfan]

Don't you think it's unfair to include his pre-Sox, pre starting pitcher days? It was only 6 games, but he was the worst pitcher in the league then.

 

 

He at least improved a little with us. But yeah, starting pitching depth is going to be the biggest weakness of this team.

 

Agree with your first comment. Don't agree with the second.

 

The Sox will be okay if they can improve their offense. That to me is the remaining biggest issue. Because with better offense, their marginal 4th and 5th guys will win enough games to keep them in the race, their better bullpen will have more games to save, and their best pitchers should win a lot of games.

 

Where can they improve the offense? Adding a big bat in LF would work. But if they can't afford a Melky Cabrera, then they can make minor improvements in LF, with righty platoons for LaRoche and Gillaspie, a better backup catcher, possibly improvement at 2B, and having a decent 4th OF who can play CF to cover if/when Eaton goes down.

 

I think Rodon is the way the Sox will improve their rotation this season, possibly by starting him in the pen and working him in the latter half.

[Eminor3rd]

My point, overall, is that you can't have both of these guys in your rotation and expect it to turn out well. If you're fishing for upside, that's one thing, but with the "window" jerked up a year now, it's a different story.

[Eminor3rd]

His ERA was 4.39. But his FIP was around 4.7. In other words, he wasn't that good. As a 5th starter, he's acceptable, but if you want to be a contender, you need to have arms better than him and Danks as your 4 and 5.

 

No doubt. But that's just it, it should be one of Noesi OR Danks as the #5, with Beck/Recchia/Carroll/whomever as 6-8 in Charlotte. Need that 4th guy for a year at least.

 

Yes, this is what I mean

Edited December 10, 2014 by Eminor3rd

[LDF]

Agree with your first comment. Don't agree with the second.

 

The Sox will be okay if they can improve their offense. That to me is the remaining biggest issue. Because with better offense, their marginal 4th and 5th guys will win enough games to keep them in the race, their better bullpen will have more games to save, and their best pitchers should win a lot of games.

 

Where can they improve the offense? Adding a big bat in LF would work. But if they can't afford a Melky Cabrera, then they can make minor improvements in LF, with righty platoons for LaRoche and Gillaspie, a better backup catcher, possibly improvement at 2B, and having a decent 4th OF who can play CF to cover if/when Eaton goes down.

 

I think Rodon is the way the Sox will improve their rotation this season, possibly by starting him in the pen and working him in the latter half.

 

on how Hahn is doing this rebuild, while it has me excited as a sox fan,

i am very lost in trying to figure this out. the sox can get ball players which

the team needs, hole to be filled. but i see that the sox can not have it

both ways, the hole to be filled and good defense.

[Chisoxfn]

Without looking it up, tell me which 2014 line was John Danks, and which was Hector Noesi:

 

4.75 ERA (4.83 FIP), 6.42 K/9, 2.92 BB/9, 1.46 HR/9, 38% GB (0.6 fWAR)

4.74 ERA (4.76 FIP), 5.99 K/9, 3.44 BB/9, 1.16 HR/9, 42% GB (0.8 fWAR)

 

Actually, don't bother. I already forget which one is which because they're basically the same. If John Danks is unacceptable, Hector Noesi is also unacceptable.

 

Rodon's ETA is not guaranteed, nor is his instant dominance when he does arrive. The best remaining options behind these two are Andre Rienzo and Eric Surkamp. Chris Beck? This team needs another arm.

No...one more acceptable than the other given his price and the fact pattern that you are talking about a potential 5th starter. Or at least more acceptable. I think far more pressing concerns are our team defense. The problem in these circumstances is these are guys we have penciled in at 4 and 5. Noesi also did show some signs of progress vs. Danks.

[LDF]

No...one more acceptable than the other given his price and the fact pattern that you are talking about a potential 5th starter. Or at least more acceptable. I think far more pressing concerns are our team defense. The problem in these circumstances is these are guys we have penciled in at 4 and 5. Noesi also did show some signs of progress vs. Danks.

 

i agree, but that is the hand the sox are dealt with. they have to make

the best of it. also remember Noesi wasn't even on the team. he was

acquire on waivers. the sox still need to fill those holes.

 

then when that is done. maybe not this yr, but then the sox can address

the defense aspect of this team.

[AlSoxfan]

Without looking it up, tell me which 2014 line was John Danks, and which was Hector Noesi:

 

4.75 ERA (4.83 FIP), 6.42 K/9, 2.92 BB/9, 1.46 HR/9, 38% GB (0.6 fWAR)

4.74 ERA (4.76 FIP), 5.99 K/9, 3.44 BB/9, 1.16 HR/9, 42% GB (0.8 fWAR)

 

Actually, don't bother. I already forget which one is which because they're basically the same. If John Danks is unacceptable, Hector Noesi is also unacceptable.

 

Rodon's ETA is not guaranteed, nor is his instant dominance when he does arrive. The best remaining options behind these two are Andre Rienzo and Eric Surkamp. Chris Beck? This team needs another arm.

Very good point. We're very slim on starting pitchers. If someone should get hurt we'll be in big trouble. 1 more starter would be nice and maybe move Noesi to the pen. Who would be the question and at what cost? I'm thinking a 1 yr. contract would be enough to get us through till the young guys get more time in the minors. I kinda liked Masterson because he'd be more willing to sign for 1 yr. but there may be others. I still feel our biggest need right now is a corner outfielder and with little money left..???

[Chisoxfn]

Very good point. We're very slim on starting pitchers. If someone should get hurt we'll be in big trouble. 1 more starter would be nice and maybe move Noesi to the pen. Who would be the question and at what cost? I'm thinking a 1 yr. contract would be enough to get us through till the young guys get more time in the minors. I kinda liked Masterson because he'd be more willing to sign for 1 yr. but there may be others. I still feel our biggest need right now is a corner outfielder and with little money left..???

Two of our top prospects are starting pitching prospects (arguably 3 of our top 5 or 6 guys if you look at Rodon / Montas / Danish). I think if we add another starter it will be because we are moving Danks and will use Noesi as a bridge until some of the other guys are more ready. I would be stunned if we went anything past 1-2 years on a pitcher given what we have in our stable.

[spiderman]

If they add another starting pitcher, it will probably be a guy coming an injury/bad season. I think most of of their remaining resources will be left to upgrade LF and hopefully 3B.

[LDF]

If they add another starting pitcher, it will probably be a guy coming an injury/bad season. I think most of of their remaining resources will be left to upgrade LF and hopefully 3B.

 

Josh Johnson, Brett Anderson. i hope i got the names spelled right.

[Chisoxfn]

Josh Johnson, Brett Anderson. i hope i got the names spelled right.

Both of those would be pretty bad ideas. Can't stay healthy and / or don't look like near the players they once were. Both would be downgrades over our current 4 / 5, imo.

[LDF]

Two of our top prospects are starting pitching prospects (arguably 3 of our top 5 or 6 guys if you look at Rodon / Montas / Danish). I think if we add another starter it will be because we are moving Danks and will use Noesi as a bridge until some of the other guys are more ready. I would be stunned if we went anything past 1-2 years on a pitcher given what we have in our stable.

 

thank you. you put the words i was trying to think off. that is way

i am saying about stagger the salary contracts.

 

with that said the sox system really need more positional players.

[LDF]

Both of those would be pretty bad ideas. Can't stay healthy and / or don't look like near the players they once were. Both would be downgrades over our current 4 / 5, imo.

 

really i didn't know that. even Anderson. damn.

[ILMOU]

The reason that Danks was unacceptable was because he went into the season with expectations of being our 3rd best starter and was making $14 million. If Danks was a fifth starter making peanuts like Noesi, nobody would have any complaints. While I agree we should probably add another starter, unless Rodon is ready, Noesi was perfectly acceptable as a fifth starter.

 

I would be perfectly content with my fifth starter putting up a 4.39 ERA over 166 innings.

There were signs of Hector's tiring at the end too. He peaked in August, and was having some nice outings. At his price, I think we should want to see what he can do this year as a 5, but yes, move Danks if possible, and bring in another arm on a short-term deal.

[LDF]

There were signs of Hector's tiring at the end too. He peaked in August, and was having some nice outings. At his price, I think we should want to see what he can do this year as a 5, but yes, move Danks if possible, and bring in another arm on a short-term deal.

 

then it goes back to Edinson -Pit-sp. 2 yrs, 10 mil per.