Jose Abreu Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 03:47 PM) To each their own, but I just hope you are consistent and never support or celebrate the 2005 team, there were some cheaters on that roster too. Exactly. If having just one (or more) former PED user(s) on a team will prevent you from rooting for that team, then here's a list of Sox teams you could have rooted for since 05: None. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 QUOTE (lvjeremylv @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 03:36 PM) Framing pitches is cheating? LOL Trying to get a ball called a strike by how you catch a ball? I would say it is technically cheating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Wasn't there smoke around Rowand roiding up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 02:10 PM) Why? Because some of us despise the idea of having Melky on the team? Just cause I don't want to support Melky doesn't mean I'm a miserable fan. The good news is all the Sox fans who don't think we are contenders have to shut up now and realize we are contenders. This is NOT a rebuilding situation. Sox have reloaded and are planning on contending which means Robin has no excuses. Nobody has any excuses. This is a championship roster even though I hate having Melky around. This wasn't the question. The question was do you have trouble supporting the Sox because of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 02:44 PM) Right before Paulie hit his WS grand slam, Jermaine Dye was HBP. The problem was, the ball hit his bat ,not him. He took first base. Later, he was named MVP of the WS. Was anyone here sickened when this cheater was applauded through the streets of Chicago? But to each his own. Everyone has a reason to like or dislike a player. As Rock said, cheer for the name on the front. As long as wife beaters ,child molestors etc. aren't on the team, it's pretty easy to separate the two. That wasn't Dye intentionally cheating. That was the umpire being wrong. different scenarios Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 02:46 PM) I know the testing process gets mocked a lot, but I for one like to believe that MLB is truly doing whatever it can to make it as hard to cheat as possible. I'd like to think that Melky is clean now, and was last year when he had a good year, so in my mind I'm rooting for a good clean baseball player...Living in the past is no fun. It is. Short of the olympics pilot program of getting a baseline of all international athletes, it is the best in sports. Although the NFL is going to blood testing so they are getting there as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 So many double standards in here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 03:47 PM) To each their own, but I just hope you are consistent and never support or celebrate the 2005 team, there were some cheaters on that roster too. I must have missed it, who from that team got caught for PEDs? I know the ruors and friends of mine you see things but I don't know who got caught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 04:03 PM) That wasn't Dye intentionally cheating. That was the umpire being wrong. different scenarios The umpire was wrong, but JD sold it. If he didn't want to cheat, he could have just told the umpire the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 03:58 PM) Wasn't there smoke around Rowand roiding up? I thought about it but didn't want some of Soxtalk being mad at me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Didn't stop me for for Rowand in '05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvjeremylv Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 05:12 PM) The umpire was wrong, but JD sold it. If he didn't want to cheat, he could have just told the umpire the truth. LOL!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvjeremylv Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 QUOTE (shysocks @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 05:05 PM) So many double standards in here. Nah, consistent and no hypocrisy at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 It's baseball guys. I watch baseball for fun, not to question whether or not what I'm doing is morally correct. You've probably unknowingly rooted for child abusers, wife beaters, and guys on HGH before. This isn't anything new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I hate players who steal bases. At their core, they are nothing more than thieves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Mark Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 04:09 PM) I must have missed it, who from that team got caught for PEDs? I know the ruors and friends of mine you see things but I don't know who got caught. Pablo Ozuna. But probably at least half that team used something at some point in their career that wasn't legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 For those of you who were around for it, did you criticize our signing of Albert Belle? Because he was basically a violent, homicidal maniac... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 05:36 PM) I hate players who steal bases. At their core, they are nothing more than thieves. The level of seething, angry disrespect in this thread for anyone who has a negative reaction to signing this guy is really quite remarkable. We often don't even get this level for political discussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 10:38 PM) For those of you who were around for it, did you criticize our signing of Albert Belle? Because he was basically a violent, homicidal maniac... Belle was most hated player in MLB when Sox signed him. No doubt a lot would have not liked it. I still loved his 98 season though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 The umpire was wrong, but JD sold it. If he didn't want to cheat, he could have just told the umpire the truth. Just like in those Mormon commercials. "Americans for a better life." "I touched the ball last coach. It's their ball." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 The level of seething, angry disrespect in this thread for anyone who has a negative reaction to signing this guy is really quite remarkable. We often don't even get this level for political discussions. Disrespect? Come on man. Seriously, I hate stolen bases -- the forefathers would not approve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Belle was most hated player in MLB when Sox signed him. No doubt a lot would have not liked it. I still loved his 98 season though. He struck a fan in the face with a ball he threw from the outfield, and he tried to run some kids down with his car on Halloween night. The media liked to sell us the "angry former alcoholic" angle to describe his behavior. However, down the line he was diagnosed with a degenerative hip condition. Steroids perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 04:40 PM) Just like in those Mormon commercials. "Americans for a better life." "I touched the ball last coach. It's their ball." Exactly. If it was golf, he would have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Judge not lest ye be judged. The Good Book says it all. Now back to porn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 05:39 PM) The level of seething, angry disrespect in this thread for anyone who has a negative reaction to signing this guy is really quite remarkable. We often don't even get this level for political discussions. Agreed.... I think Melky is likely clean, now. The past is the past and I'm, personally, going to give him the benefit of the doubt. With me, if a player takes PEDs and goes on to just dominate, like a Bonds, Sosa, or Clemens, I'm more disgusted than I am when a guy like Cabrera, Ozuna, or a Jhonny Peralta gets caught....cheating is cheating but the PEDs didn't have a drastic impact on the game when looking at those lesser-known players, likely due to using PEDs for a different reason (faster recovery times vs. straight performance) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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