Bottom of the rotation.

[SoCalSox]

Something that has been on my mind (and I assume more than just mine), is how much of a drop off, if any does going from Danks to Rodon, if we can unload Danks?

 

I know Danks is expensive but it's also worth thinking about next year, too. He's due even more money next year and could really end up blocking Rodon, mainly because I doubt this team goes with 4 lefties in the rotation.

 

IF Hahn can trade Danks and get a prospect or two for him, while offsetting the cost of what Melky costs (after trading Viciedo, which accounts for around $4M), would you do it and "risk" Rodon as the 5th starter this year?

[Balta1701]

I think the biggest risk would be the innings. Rodon has never pitched more than 130 innings and those were mostly college level. By the time he's at 150 innings in the big leagues he'd be completely gassed.

 

Down the stretch we'd be in the boat of skipping his starts a lot, like we saw in 2012 with Sale and Quintana when their arms were just too beat down the stretch.

 

The other starters are potentially strong enough to make up for that but that's a pretty big risk. Do you have confidence that Chris Sale can handle 220 innings and still be ready to go in the playoffs? Maybe...but he's missed time with a sore arm enough for that to be a concern. It'd at least be "nice" if he got some extra rest during the year too...one of the things this team would really struggle to overcome is Sale missing a lot of time.

 

And then beyond that...how much confidence do we have in someone like Beck being the 6th starter? Out of a 5 man rotation you do expect someone to hit the DL at some point. I'd have a lot more confidence in Rodon being the guy who comes up and takes that spot than I would with Beck as of now.

 

If someone takes on Danks's salary without the Sox having to pay much of course you still do it because you're better off just figuring it out as you go...but the depth in the rotation with Rodon in the 6th spot is a real solid advantage.

[Buehrle>Wood]

I think you will be the only person who thinks going from Rodon to Danks is a drop off

[Dick Allen]

Something that has been on my mind (and I assume more than just mine), is how much of a drop off, if any does going from Danks to Rodon, if we can unload Danks?

 

I know Danks is expensive but it's also worth thinking about next year, too. He's due even more money next year and could really end up blocking Rodon, mainly because I doubt this team goes with 4 lefties in the rotation.

 

IF Hahn can trade Danks and get a prospect or two for him, while offsetting the cost of what Melky costs (after trading Viciedo, which accounts for around $4M), would you do it and "risk" Rodon as the 5th starter this year?

Rodon is a future potential ace. He has been compared to David Price in the past. He probabky needs a little seasoning , also that will help the Sox gain an extra season of control with him. It remains to be seen what kind of innings total he could safely put up in 2015, and most rookies have their troubled moments.

 

I doubt it will be 2015, but there is a chance Rodon is a better pitcher than anyone not named Sale on the White Sox staff in the near future. As for Danks, I don't think he will get traded. I think Viciedo is a goner.

[ptatc]

Rodon is a future potential ace. He has been compared to David Price in the past. He probabky needs a little seasoning , also that will help the Sox gain an extra season of control with him. It remains to be seen what kind of innings total he could safely put up in 2015, and most rookies have their troubled moments.

 

I doubt it will be 2015, but there is a chance Rodon is a better pitcher than anyone not named Sale on the White Sox staff in the near future. As for Danks, I don't think he will get traded. I think Viciedo is a goner.

The Sox won't have him go more than 160-175 in 2015.

[SoCalSox]

When I say drop off, I am referring to Balta's concern. He should be a better option right out of the gate, but for how long?

 

Is risking him wearing down, down the stretch a good option?

[SoCalSox]

I guess a big thing for me right now is trading him while/if there is still any interested.

 

He's ultimately going to block Rodon either mid this year or next year, IMO.

 

His salary goes up another $4M next year. That's a scary thought with how inconsistent he is.

[GreenSox]

IF Hahn can trade Danks and get a prospect or two for him, while offsetting the cost of what Melky costs (after trading Viciedo, which accounts for around $4M), would you do it and "risk" Rodon as the 5th starter this year?

No

But it's not because I am fearful of what it would do to our team this year...my timeframe actually goes beyond 2015.

It's because pitching Rodon before he is ready wastes his service time and is a poor use of an asset.

[SoCalSox]

No

But it's not because I am fearful of what it would do to our team this year...my timeframe actually goes beyond 2015.

It's because pitching Rodon before he is ready wastes his service time and is a poor use of an asset.

 

Hypothetical: What happens if Rodon comes out and absolutely tears it up this spring? You still send him down?

[thxfrthmmrs]

The bigger concern is rushing him before he's ready. He was good last season but obviously still need to refine his command. You don't want to rush his development just to fill a hole on the big league team.

[BaconOnAStick]

Hypothetical: What happens if Rodon comes out and absolutely tears it up this spring? You still send him down?

I think no matter what you get a look at the MLB team before calling Rodon up. If they're playing very well in May/June and could use the help I say you have no choice but at least use him in a bullpen role.

[Dick Allen]

When I say drop off, I am referring to Balta's concern. He should be a better option right out of the gate, but for how long?

 

Is risking him wearing down, down the stretch a good option?

If he is capable of 165-175 innings, that should be more than fine. There were a total of 34 pitchers who threw 200 innings in 2014 .

[SoCalSox]

If he is capable of 165-175 innings, that should be more than fine. There were a total of 34 pitchers who threw 200 innings in 2014 .

 

That's exactly what I was looking to hear.

 

That's enough for me to say "trade him if you can".

[justBLAZE]

It has been discussed what is the best in terms of development for Carlos, with many agreeing he need to start in minors.

 

My question is, what is the best way Carlos can be used to help this team compete in 2015 WITHOUT sacrificing his development?

[Quin]

It has been discussed what is the best in terms of development for Carlos, with many agreeing he need to start in minors.

 

My question is, what is the best way Carlos can be used to help this team compete in 2015 WITHOUT sacrificing his development?

 

Forcing his way into the rotation.

[dmbjeff]

Hypothetical: What happens if Rodon comes out and absolutely tears it up this spring? You still send him down?

 

What if Danks can eliminate half of the 6 games where he got blown up and gave up 6+ runs? If you look at his game log, he wasn't all bad last year. 22 of his 32 starts he gave up 3 runs or less. That isn't all that bad. He won't dazzle in WHIP or K/BB and he certainly isn't as good as the money he makes, but I think he can bounce back. If he can keep the game in 22-25 of his 32 starts, that is not too horrible.

[Eminor3rd]

I heavily disagree with this.

 

1. We need to keep him down a few weeks so that we can push his free agency back a year.

2. You're not going to get anything for Danks anyway, so why not let him cover those 50 innings you won't get from Rodon? Otherwise it's going to be like Chris Beck

3. What happens if Rodon isn't ready? You either rush him to his detriment or get even more worse innings from Chris Beck/Parker Frazier (?) or some other random.

 

Look, I was ALL about dumping Danks for nothing before Hahn went on his balls out spending spree -- but now we need depth more than ever. Danks is bought and paid for, and there's nothing we can do about that. If he's our best 5 man, let's just use him.

[Eminor3rd]

Hypothetical: What happens if Rodon comes out and absolutely tears it up this spring? You still send him down?

 

I do, for at least three weeks.

[LDF]

I heavily disagree with this.

 

1. We need to keep him down a few weeks so that we can push his free agency back a year.

2. You're not going to get anything for Danks anyway, so why not let him cover those 50 innings you won't get from Rodon? Otherwise it's going to be like Chris Beck

3. What happens if Rodon isn't ready? You either rush him to his detriment or get even more worse innings from Chris Beck/Parker Frazier (?) or some other random.

 

Look, I was ALL about dumping Danks for nothing before Hahn went on his balls out spending spree -- but now we need depth more than ever. Danks is bought and paid for, and there's nothing we can do about that. If he's our best 5 man, let's just use him.

 

the sox tried to trade him, it didn't happen. as Eminor stated, when Hahn w/ JR blessing

wanted to go all in, well Danks becomes a important piece in the rotation. whether most

hate to admit. he is a pitcher who threw how many innings, and is going to be another

yr in his recovery and strengthening. he will become a important piece in the rotation.

unless the sox goes and picks up another FA pitcher or trade for another good pitcher,

he is the pitcher that is going to be pencil in.