GGajewski18 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Could be available now that the Rays have signed SS Asdrubal Cabrera. Zobrist is in the last year of his contract at 33 years old. I think he would be a great platoon at 3B with Gillaspie, playing 2B giving Sanchez/Johnson time to develop and can platoon with LaRoche at DH. What do you guys think? I would offer Beck, Thompson, and Sanchez for Zobrist and Montgomery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 30, 2014 -> 10:58 AM) Could be available now that the Rays have signed SS Asdrubal Cabrera. Zobrist is in the last year of his contract at 33 years old. I think he would be a great platoon at 3B with Gillaspie, playing 2B giving Sanchez/Johnson time to develop and can platoon with LaRoche at DH. What do you guys think? I would offer Beck, Thompson, and Sanchez for Zobrist and Montgomery. Bro, do you really think that will get it done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Small tangent but I know that Zobrist grew up in Illinois. Did he grow up a Sox, Cubs, or Cardinal fan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 30, 2014 -> 10:58 AM) Could be available now that the Rays have signed SS Asdrubal Cabrera. Zobrist is in the last year of his contract at 33 years old. I think he would be a great platoon at 3B with Gillaspie, playing 2B giving Sanchez/Johnson time to develop and can platoon with LaRoche at DH. What do you guys think? I would offer Beck, Thompson, and Sanchez for Zobrist and Montgomery. So that's 2 disappointing prospects and a guy whose upside is that of an average player for a sabermetric god and a fallen prospect who was still very recently considered to be one of the best pitching prospects in the game. They'd hang up. You are giving up Montas/Danish plus another couple of good prospects at the very minimum for Zobrist alone. If you want Montgomery it's probably going to be Montas and Danish plus prospects for a total rental player. Beyond that, they could easily be asking for Tim Anderson in return too. This is just not a move that fits the Sox agenda right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Ben Zobrist would be a nice fit for White Sox, who currently see 2B as competition between Micah Johnson, Carlos Sanchez & Leury Garcia. https://twitter.com/philgrogers/status/549972921670963200 Key for White Sox w/Zobrist lies in Rays' interest in Dayan Viciedo and CWS willingness to deal significant prospects. Serious talk likely. https://twitter.com/philgrogers/status/549975570692702208 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 30, 2014 -> 11:14 AM) Ben Zobrist would be a nice fit for White Sox, who currently see 2B as competition between Micah Johnson, Carlos Sanchez & Leury Garcia. https://twitter.com/philgrogers/status/549972921670963200 Key for White Sox w/Zobrist lies in Rays' interest in Dayan Viciedo and CWS willingness to deal significant prospects. Serious talk likely. https://twitter.com/philgrogers/status/549975570692702208 The Rays have interest in Viciedo? That would be awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 30, 2014 -> 10:58 AM) Could be available now that the Rays have signed SS Asdrubal Cabrera. Zobrist is in the last year of his contract at 33 years old. I think he would be a great platoon at 3B with Gillaspie, playing 2B giving Sanchez/Johnson time to develop and can platoon with LaRoche at DH. What do you guys think? I would offer Beck, Thompson, and Sanchez for Zobrist and Montgomery. I really like the idea of getting Zobrist. Career .285/.363/.447 vs. LHP (.340/.399/.474 vs. LHP in 2014). It'll take more than that though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 30, 2014 Author Share Posted December 30, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 30, 2014 -> 11:14 AM) So that's 2 disappointing prospects and a guy whose upside is that of an average player for a sabermetric god and a fallen prospect who was still very recently considered to be one of the best pitching prospects in the game. They'd hang up. You are giving up Montas/Danish plus another couple of good prospects at the very minimum for Zobrist alone. If you want Montgomery it's probably going to be Montas and Danish plus prospects for a total rental player. Beyond that, they could easily be asking for Tim Anderson in return too. This is just not a move that fits the Sox agenda right now. I was definitely wrong in the value in Zobrist, but he is 33 years old with only 1 more year left on his contract. QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 30, 2014 -> 11:14 AM) Ben Zobrist would be a nice fit for White Sox, who currently see 2B as competition between Micah Johnson, Carlos Sanchez & Leury Garcia. https://twitter.com/philgrogers/status/549972921670963200 Key for White Sox w/Zobrist lies in Rays' interest in Dayan Viciedo and CWS willingness to deal significant prospects. Serious talk likely. https://twitter.com/philgrogers/status/549975570692702208 Rogers better be right on this one, Zobrist makes a lot of sense for the White Sox right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 30, 2014 -> 11:19 AM) Rogers better be right on this one, Zobrist makes a lot of sense for the White Sox right now. ...but he better be wrong about Leury being in the mix for the starting 2B job. Ick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Dec 30, 2014 -> 11:20 AM) ...but he better be wrong about Leury being in the mix for the starting 2B job. Ick. I think they do that just to be thorough. Anyway, yeah, Zobrist would be another great pickup. If they can do it without trading Micah Johnson, even better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 30, 2014 -> 11:19 AM) I was definitely wrong in the value in Zobrist, but he is 33 years old with only 1 more year left on his contract. He's an incredibly versatile player who is a very good hitter and is incredibly cheap. It'll be interesting to see what it takes to get him, but I think there are a few teams, notably the Cubs, who could cash in a couple prospects to acquire him. Rogers better be right on this one, Zobrist makes a lot of sense for the White Sox right now. Given the lack of depth in the White Sox system, the high price it would take, his age, and his contract situation (or lack thereof beyond this season), he really doesn't. The nice thing about the Samardzija trade is that the Sox traded for him using a bunch of marginal players, guys who weren't high on talent but had put up results. They could ultimately be good to great players, but they weren't in the Sox long-term plans. Zobrist will require either high upside talent or similar players to the Samardzija trade, and the Sox are pretty much all out of the latter at this point, so they will need to give up Montas, Danish, or Anderson, and that's not something that's terribly reasonable at this point. Suggesting something crazy here, but if the Cubs gave up Javier Baez and Pierce Johnson right now, how on earth could the Sox logically top that? They could give up Anderson and Montas for sure, but that's not logical (and I'm not sure it would top the Cubs offer anyway). The Sox are going for it, but they are doing so with an eye towards the future. Trading for Ben Zobrist at this point is not making a move with an eye towards the future, it's making a move with an eye towards now. That is not in their agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Here's what Jeff Sullivan suggested Zobrist's value would be: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/jeff-sulliv...hs-chat-123014/ Comment From DannyDanny: What would Zobrist cost in trade? Jeff Sullivan: Good player, going to cost about $7.5 million. Qualifying offer at the end. If Zobrist is worth something like, I don't know, $30 million based just on his wins contributed, then you're looking at the Rays asking for an upper-level prospect. Obviously not a Kris Bryant level or anything, but Zobrist is going to cost one or two pieces close to big-league ready I read that and see "Tim Anderson or two of Montas/Danish/Micah Johnson." I say no to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 30, 2014 -> 06:26 PM) He's an incredibly versatile player who is a very good hitter and is incredibly cheap. It'll be interesting to see what it takes to get him, but I think there are a few teams, notably the Cubs, who could cash in a couple prospects to acquire him. Given the lack of depth in the White Sox system, the high price it would take, his age, and his contract situation (or lack thereof beyond this season), he really doesn't. The nice thing about the Samardzija trade is that the Sox traded for him using a bunch of marginal players, guys who weren't high on talent but had put up results. They could ultimately be good to great players, but they weren't in the Sox long-term plans. Zobrist will require either high upside talent or similar players to the Samardzija trade, and the Sox are pretty much all out of the latter at this point, so they will need to give up Montas, Danish, or Anderson, and that's not something that's terribly reasonable at this point. Suggesting something crazy here, but if the Cubs gave up Javier Baez and Pierce Johnson right now, how on earth could the Sox logically top that? They could give up Anderson and Montas for sure, but that's not logical (and I'm not sure it would top the Cubs offer anyway). The Sox are going for it, but they are doing so with an eye towards the future. Trading for Ben Zobrist at this point is not making a move with an eye towards the future, it's making a move with an eye towards now. That is not in their agenda. you are a good point in at what cost would it take. but since no one knows now, it would be nice to inquire. on mlb rumors there was an article of the sox inquiring about Drew for 2nd base. at least we were thinking of this problem before it was mention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Yeah, there's no problem reaching out, but there seem to be teams with better depth who are in better positioning to make a trade like that. To cover my ass a little bit, I'd say there's a 1% chance the Sox get him, but I don't think it's likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 30, 2014 -> 06:51 PM) Yeah, there's no problem reaching out, but there seem to be teams with better depth who are in better positioning to make a trade like that. To cover my ass a little bit, I'd say there's a 1% chance the Sox get him, but I don't think it's likely. yeah you are right, but i still like 1 more other player i will talk later. dang it.... spring training ..... i can't wait. Sox in '15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEdWalsh Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 I wouldn't want to lose one of our top prospects but Viciedo and a couple of our mid-range prospects? That'd be nice! If only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 For the record, I would do the latter portion, in any form and in a very tepid manner, for Zobrist, which makes me think they'd ask for more. I also think Viciedo would make his way over but mostly as filler for the Rays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 30, 2014 -> 06:03 PM) For the record, I would do the latter portion, in any form and in a very tepid manner, for Zobrist, which makes me think they'd ask for more. I also think Viciedo would make his way over but mostly as filler for the Rays. you do have the scope right, if the sox can't get the rays to agree with a pckg with DV, then a separate trade may happen there. the sox major prospects should be a hands off idea. but here is the question that doesn't need to be answer today. but who should be given the hands off tag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 30, 2014 Author Share Posted December 30, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 30, 2014 -> 11:26 AM) He's an incredibly versatile player who is a very good hitter and is incredibly cheap. It'll be interesting to see what it takes to get him, but I think there are a few teams, notably the Cubs, who could cash in a couple prospects to acquire him. Suggesting something crazy here, but if the Cubs gave up Javier Baez and Pierce Johnson right now, how on earth could the Sox logically top that? They could give up Anderson and Montas for sure, but that's not logical (and I'm not sure it would top the Cubs offer anyway). The Sox are going for it, but they are doing so with an eye towards the future. Trading for Ben Zobrist at this point is not making a move with an eye towards the future, it's making a move with an eye towards now. That is not in their agenda. See, I don't see a fit for the Cubs. They already have a glut of MI prospects and with one year left on his deal and at 33 years old, I think he would be the wrong type of player for the Cubs because I think they are still at least year or 2 from competing in a playoff spot. Whereas the Sox could definitely use him this year, and if he does produce well, you can resign him to a 2 year deal similar to the LaRoche deal. QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 30, 2014 -> 11:43 AM) Here's what Jeff Sullivan suggested Zobrist's value would be: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/jeff-sulliv...hs-chat-123014/ I read that and see "Tim Anderson or two of Montas/Danish/Micah Johnson." I say no to that. With that said above, I would not pay that price for Zobrist for the reasons you have stated previously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Zobrist would make a lot of sense for any team that is not phoning in 2015. He plays everywhere, plays it well, and is a very solid bat. Fans of about 27 teams are saying right now "Zobrist would be a perfect fit for us". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 30, 2014 -> 07:17 PM) Zobrist would make a lot of sense for any team that is not phoning in 2015. He plays everywhere, plays it well, and is a very solid bat. Fans of about 27 teams are saying right now "Zobrist would be a perfect fit for us". and that is when the cost will go up. he make too much sense. man the way the NL talent is spread, there are at least 3 -4 teams who could walk away with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 30, 2014 -> 01:30 PM) and that is when the cost will go up. he make too much sense. man the way the NL talent is spread, there are at least 3 -4 teams who could walk away with it. Right. He's going to get a nice, probably over pay, by some team because he would fit on any of them. All teams could be competing for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Huge fan of Zobrist. Terrible idea throwing away prospects to get him for 1 year. Would love to sign him as a free agent if we still have a need at one of the positions he plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 I would think a package of Anderson & Montas could get a young, MLB-ready Ben Zobrist. 33 is way too old to send top prospects out. I know most teams want him but I also think most teams don't really want to pay top-prospect price. As stupid as it seems, maybe his price really is DV + lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Dec 30, 2014 -> 02:09 PM) I would think a package of Anderson & Montas could get a young, MLB-ready Ben Zobrist. 33 is way too old to send top prospects out. I know most teams want him but I also think most teams don't really want to pay top-prospect price. As stupid as it seems, maybe his price really is DV + lol. He's far too valuable a player. RA Dickey fetched Noah Syndergaard and Travis d'Arnaud (as well as Wuilmer Becerra) 2 years ago going into his age 38 season. I think that's a little excessive in hindsight, but it's going to take some very good prospects to get Zobrist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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