fathom Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Pirates just giving him a false sense of security for the WC game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 arrieta has always had talent, even when he struggled in Baltimore, but absolutely nothing about his career makes sense statistically. Only thing I've seen similar is halladay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 27, 2015 -> 08:48 PM) Pirates just giving him a false sense of security for the WC game Yeah, that's got to be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 QUOTE (daa84 @ Sep 28, 2015 -> 02:51 AM) arrieta has always had talent, even when he struggled in Baltimore, but absolutely nothing about his career makes sense statistically. Only thing I've seen similar is halladay. Added 2-3 mph to fastball and that insane cutter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Nice Polanco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 28, 2015 -> 01:52 AM) Yeah, that's got to be it. You should know me well enough to know that's sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 So, fathom. Do you hate the 2011 Red Sox? If not for that collapse, Theo might still be in Boston. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 28, 2015 -> 03:03 AM) So, fathom. Do you hate the 2011 Red Sox? If not for that collapse, Theo might still be in Boston. lol. Nah, so much has gone right for them that I don't think it's all Theo's magic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 QUOTE (daa84 @ Sep 27, 2015 -> 08:51 PM) arrieta has always had talent, even when he struggled in Baltimore, but absolutely nothing about his career makes sense statistically. Only thing I've seen similar is halladay. Actually, he reminds me of Kluber last season. Out of nowhere untouchable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 27, 2015 -> 09:09 PM) Nah, so much has gone right for them that I don't think it's all Theo's magic I disagree. Theo rebuilt basically the entire FO, scouting department, etc. It's not ALL him. But the origin of their transformation begins and ends with Theo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 28, 2015 -> 02:21 AM) I disagree. Theo rebuilt basically the entire FO, scouting department, etc. It's not ALL him. But the origin of their transformation begins and ends with Theo. Lots of teams wanted Arrieta, who to me is the reason they are ahead of schedule. Crappy thing is he was headed to Nationals in a trade from Orioles but Orioles owner wouldn't sign off on it due to their rivalry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) Only this year could Castro go from pitcher-hitting levels to Bryce Harper-levels after no one wanted him at the deadline. He's the anti-Samardzija Edited September 28, 2015 by fathom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 27, 2015 -> 09:27 PM) Lots of teams wanted Arrieta, who to me is the reason they are ahead of schedule. Crappy thing is he was headed to Nationals in a trade from Orioles but Orioles owner wouldn't sign off on it due to their rivalry. Yet the Cubs got him for Scott Feldman and some bum I can't even remember. Not buying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 28, 2015 -> 02:39 AM) Yet the Cubs got him for Scott Feldman and some bum I can't even remember. Not buying it. At the time, some speculated the main part of the trade the Cubs wanted was the slot money for Eloy Jimenez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 27, 2015 -> 09:39 PM) Yet the Cubs got him for Scott Feldman and some bum I can't even remember. Not buying it. The White Sox are geniuses for acquiring Quintana but the Cubs are lucky they got Arrieta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 27, 2015 -> 09:50 PM) The White Sox are geniuses for acquiring Quintana but the Cubs are lucky they got Arrieta. Ha. I guess Rizzo was luck, too? Getting Russell+ for a .500 pitcher was luck, too? Fowler/Montero/Coghlan? More luck, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 27, 2015 -> 09:55 PM) Ha. I guess Rizzo was luck, too? Getting Russell+ for a .500 pitcher was luck, too? Fowler/Montero/Coghlan? More luck, I guess. Rizzo wasn't luck, Rizzo was Hoyer pulling a fast one on the organization he had just left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Let's see who Ventura throws at tomorrow vs the Cubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 27, 2015 -> 09:55 PM) Ha. I guess Rizzo was luck, too? Getting Russell+ for a .500 pitcher was luck, too? Fowler/Montero/Coghlan? More luck, I guess. Rizzo was just trading with an old business partner, there was plenty of "luck" involved with that. But they deserve full credit for the rest of their moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 27, 2015 -> 09:59 PM) Rizzo wasn't luck, Rizzo was Hoyer pulling a fast one on the organization he had just left QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 27, 2015 -> 10:02 PM) Rizzo was just trading with an old business partner, there was plenty of "luck" involved with that. But they deserve full credit for the rest of their moves. That's my point. No Theo, no Jed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananarchy Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Rizzo aside, the White Sox were geniuses for Quintana, but the Cubs are geniuses for their whole roster. That team is brilliant and the rest of the organization is stacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Sep 28, 2015 -> 07:49 AM) Rizzo aside, the White Sox were geniuses for Quintana, but the Cubs are geniuses for their whole roster. That team is brilliant and the rest of the organization is stacked. *checks username after reading post to confirm that it's AustinIllini* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananarchy Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 28, 2015 -> 08:03 AM) *checks username after reading post to confirm that it's AustinIllini* If the Sox were half as good at drafting and scouting positional talent as they were at drafting pitching, Robin would miraculously be manager of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 I know it's a bit early to think about, but say Arrieta has two more Cy Young caliber seasons in 2016 and 2017 and then hits free agency, where he'll be 32. What kind of contract does he get? Is there a team that would be willing to go 5 years/$150 million? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjm676 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 27, 2015 -> 09:50 PM) The White Sox are geniuses for acquiring Quintana but the Cubs are lucky they got Arrieta. The white sox are lucky with Quintana. Just like they were lucky to get Rodon and lucky that Sale turned into Chris Sale. when it comes to the Sox scouting and player development, they are more lucky that any of their drafted players turn into MLB caliber players. This is Kenny Williams and Buddy Bell we are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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