Vance Law Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 8, 2015 -> 05:32 PM) Because Andy Wilkins is a better hitter than Jordan Danks. Yeah, but: Why would you keep Danks and DFA Wilkins? Because Danks is an excellent defensive outfielder and the Sox starting outfield at present are bad, injury prone, and bad at defense. And there's zero room for Wilkins on a team with Abreu and LaRoche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Good only 1 Danks to go............I do not see Jordan Danks every being a good MLB player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammy esposito Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 QUOTE (Vance Law @ Jan 8, 2015 -> 03:36 PM) Yeah, Why would you keep Danks and DFA Wilkins? Because Danks is an excellent defensive outfielder and the Sox starting outfield at present are bad, injury prone, and bad at defense. And there's zero room for Wilkins on a team with Abreu and LaRoche. I frankly I don't have to make these decisions. I remember when we drafted Jordan thought was he could play defense at the major league level. His bat never attained that level of competence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 8, 2015 -> 03:32 PM) Because Andy Wilkins is a better hitter than Jordan Danks. He hasn't shown it yet. But maybe they think he can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I can see DFA'ing Danks before Wilkins. Need that bat insurance in Charlotte behind LaRoche and Abreu more than you need a 6th OF. However, I am really surprised that Leury Garcia wasn't DFA'd. He, to me, was the obvious choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jan 8, 2015 -> 03:36 PM) When Andy Wilkins is a 1B and Jordan Danks is a CF, you need a better reason than that. No, I don't think so. If Abreu gets hurt, the season's pretty much over anyways, but if LaRoche gets hurt, Wilkins at least provides the talent to not kill the Sox offensively at 1B. Danks doesn't do that and hasn't played 1B anyways. QUOTE (Vance Law @ Jan 8, 2015 -> 03:36 PM) Yeah, but: Why would you keep Danks and DFA Wilkins? Because Danks is an excellent defensive outfielder and the Sox starting outfield at present are bad, injury prone, and bad at defense. And there's zero room for Wilkins on a team with Abreu and LaRoche. Not that excellent defensive outfielders are a dime a dozen, but traditional thought seems to lean towards being able to find good to elite defenders much easier than finding average to good hitters. QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 8, 2015 -> 04:06 PM) He hasn't shown it yet. But maybe they think he can. I think, given his minor league track record and the most reason season we have on record, Wilkins is better bet to do something in the majors offensively than is Jordan Danks. It's very likely that Wilkins never sniffs the majors as a hitter or, if he does, it's in the form of September call ups or as a pinch hitter, but right now, I think he'd be projected to perform better offensively than Jordan Danks. For the record, here are the ZiPS projections for their batting lines. These mean little other than plugging numbers into a computer to generate likely splits: Wilkins: .242/.294/.437, .318 wOBA Danks: .232/.308/.375, .303 wOBA --- Also worth considering is that the Sox have indicated to Danks that they'd welcome him back with open arms and they know what he is, but perhaps they're doing this as a favor to him. Allow him the opportunity to see if another team in the majors wants him or let him pursue more playing time overseas or something along those lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Can't L Garcia play CF? Well there you go...if there's a need for that level of play in CF, just put L. in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Friday Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I would have thought Raul Fernandez would be the obvious choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jan 8, 2015 -> 03:33 PM) Thank you, Dick You ' re welcome. Thanks, Dick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 QUOTE (Blackout Friday @ Jan 8, 2015 -> 05:06 PM) I would have thought Raul Fernandez would be the obvious choice. They just picked him up last year. I think they are really, really intrigued by his arm and want to give him more time than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 So now I legit wonder who the backup OF is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 8, 2015 -> 05:19 PM) So now I legit wonder who the backup OF is Shuck, or Danks ends up getting outrighted to Charlotte and makes the team as a non-roster invitee. Or something else. Ichiro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 8, 2015 -> 06:22 PM) Shuck, or Danks ends up getting outrighted to Charlotte and makes the team as a non-roster invitee. Or something else. Ichiro? Either of those would require another 40 man spot though right? So more shuffling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I an certain Viciedo will be gone but it would be great to have someone on the bench who could hit one into the seats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 8, 2015 -> 05:27 PM) Either of those would require another 40 man spot though right? So more shuffling? Shuck is on the 40-man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvjeremylv Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Danks is awful, who cares, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 As of now if Carlos Sanchez is starting 2B, I think bench is: Bonifacio, Shuck, Saladino, and Kottaras/Brantly. Obviously they could add a different OF or INF for cheap though still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 QUOTE (lvjeremylv @ Jan 8, 2015 -> 08:16 PM) Danks is awful, who cares, lol Everyone's awful. Players are awful in lots different ways. Players are awful while at the same time being excellent. Like Danks. If you only consider defense and baserunning, Jose Abreu is a giant sack of s***. Why people are discussing it is out of an interest in surmising what the intended makeup of the bench is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) Soxtalk has an Ozzie like obsession with the replacement level Jordan Danks. They don't need a fourth OF that can play CF because of Melky. Melky starting 10 or 15 games in CF to spell Eaton isn't the end of the world. Of course, they could always bring in a veteran type in the spring to compete for the role if they feel it's important. This has nothing to do with Viciedo is about clearing space on the 40 man for more moves, if anything. Wilkins at least provides the talent to not kill the Sox offensively at 1B. You know, it's not quite the dead ball era 2.0 yet. A 28 year old non prospect that has never seen a breaking ball he wouldn't swing at and can't catch up to MLB fastballs -- will absolutely kill the Sox at 1B. Edited January 9, 2015 by chitownsportsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jan 8, 2015 -> 08:43 PM) Soxtalk has an Ozzie like obsession with the replacement level Jordan Danks. They don't need a fourth OF that can play CF because of Melky. Melky starting 10 or 15 games in CF to spell Eaton isn't the end of the world. Of course, they could always bring in a veteran type in the spring to compete for the role if they feel it's important. Good lord, Melky should not/ will not be going anywhere near CF. The outfield defense projects to be very subpar at the corners with Cabrera and Garcia. It is a clear deficiency on the team and 'excellent defensive outfielder' is a wise use of one of the bench spots in my opinion (and I suspect others'). If not Danks, I hope they get someone who is a plus defender, like Danks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 8, 2015 -> 05:42 PM) No, I don't think so. If Abreu gets hurt, the season's pretty much over anyways, but if LaRoche gets hurt, Wilkins at least provides the talent to not kill the Sox offensively at 1B. Danks doesn't do that and hasn't played 1B anyways. Not that excellent defensive outfielders are a dime a dozen, but traditional thought seems to lean towards being able to find good to elite defenders much easier than finding average to good hitters. I think, given his minor league track record and the most reason season we have on record, Wilkins is better bet to do something in the majors offensively than is Jordan Danks. It's very likely that Wilkins never sniffs the majors as a hitter or, if he does, it's in the form of September call ups or as a pinch hitter, but right now, I think he'd be projected to perform better offensively than Jordan Danks. For the record, here are the ZiPS projections for their batting lines. These mean little other than plugging numbers into a computer to generate likely splits: Wilkins: .242/.294/.437, .318 wOBA Danks: .232/.308/.375, .303 wOBA --- Also worth considering is that the Sox have indicated to Danks that they'd welcome him back with open arms and they know what he is, but perhaps they're doing this as a favor to him. Allow him the opportunity to see if another team in the majors wants him or let him pursue more playing time overseas or something along those lines. Anyway. Twice in one two-sentence paragraph is too much. I thought they would have taught you this in Admin School. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvjeremylv Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 QUOTE (oldsox @ Jan 8, 2015 -> 09:36 PM) Anyway. Twice in one two-sentence paragraph is too much. I thought they would have taught you this in Admin School. Does 3 sentences constitute a proper paragraph? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 The oldsox/witesoxfan beef has got to be one my favorites on Soxtalk, although it seems to be a bit one-sided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 If we're worried about Jordan Danks we are worried about the wrong things. Dude has proven he can't hit at the major league level. If we're looking for defensive specialist outfielders, they're out there, and they aren't gonna cost much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 8, 2015 -> 04:42 PM) I think, given his minor league track record and the most reason season we have on record, Wilkins is better bet to do something in the majors offensively than is Jordan Danks. It's very likely that Wilkins never sniffs the majors as a hitter or, if he does, it's in the form of September call ups or as a pinch hitter, but right now, I think he'd be projected to perform better offensively than Jordan Danks. For the record, here are the ZiPS projections for their batting lines. These mean little other than plugging numbers into a computer to generate likely splits: Wilkins: .242/.294/.437, .318 wOBA Danks: .232/.308/.375, .303 wOBA --- Also worth considering is that the Sox have indicated to Danks that they'd welcome him back with open arms and they know what he is, but perhaps they're doing this as a favor to him. Allow him the opportunity to see if another team in the majors wants him or let him pursue more playing time overseas or something along those lines. From what I saw, I don't think Wilkins has a prayer in the MLB. The projections may be right but the swing and miss capacity of wilkins was astounding. Not that Danks is going to be any good at hitting but the comment that Wilkins is obviously alot better is not correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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