southsider2k5 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 04:54 PM) i know where you are going, 15 mil ontop of 120 mil team salary, but the sox will have the building of the farm going full forward. JR crying poor is baseless, he can come up with the money to get the players. Not for a guy who is years away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 11:56 PM) Not for a guy who is years away. i do beg to differ... there is really no scouting rpt that givens any hints on how far or close he is to the majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 There are a number of reasons the White Sox didn't sign Lopez. 1) A K/9 of 5.1 in Serie Nacional does not bode well for him in the majors. Maybe there's something there, maybe not. Blindly throwing around money is crazy. 2) Spending $8.25 million on him comes with a 100% overage tax on anything exceeding the White Sox spending limit. I don't know what it is exactly, but it's much, much less than $8.25 million and they would have spent around $12-15 million on a virtually unknown prospect. 3) They could sign amateur free agents between now and July 2nd, and every single one of those signings would be doubled as a result of this signing because they were already over. If they signed someone for $500K, it's a $1 million overall cost. 4) As a result of those overages, once July 2, 2015 hits, they would not be able to sign anybody for more than $300K from that date until July 2, 2017. That means they miss out on all kinds of high end prospects that fall in that time frame, and the Latin American minor league supplements would also take a hit as a result. I get that you liked the guy, but this isn't a major loss and isn't a factor of Reinsdorf and company being cheap. EDIT: Also, this: QUOTE (LDF @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 04:57 PM) i do beg to differ... there is really no scouting rpt that givens any hints on how far or close he is to the majors. isn't really a good defense for why the Sox should have signed him. If we don't know how far away he is from being a major league caliber pitcher, then why throw $8 million at him? This isn't similar to the Dayan Viciedo or Gerardo Concepcion signing the Cubs made where they signed these guys to decently sized contracts at a young age not knowing exactly how the product looked, this has much deeper drawbacks that would hurt the Sox long-term if he flamed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 04:57 PM) i do beg to differ... there is really no scouting rpt that givens any hints on how far or close he is to the majors. How can you differ if you don't know either way? I'm not gonna lose sleep over a guy that nobody really knows about, and I will trust that the Sox know which international prospects they should throw money at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 This does pose a much larger, critical question that I dare ANYONE to defend Rich Hahn on; why don't the Sox sign all the players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 05:48 PM) This does pose a much larger, critical question that I dare ANYONE to defend Rich Hahn on; why don't the Sox sign all the players? The Yankees already tried this 12 years ago and how did that work out for them? OH YEAH JOSH BECKETT BUDDY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 03:48 PM) This does pose a much larger, critical question that I dare ANYONE to defend Rich Hahn on; why don't the Sox sign all the players? Strategy to guaranteed victory. Eventually, you'll have every player who has at least one hand to throw with and thus, rest of the league fields teams of people who have no arms and only feet to throw. Certainty of winning...99.99999999%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 A Kalapse sighting, then he is gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 06:01 PM) The Yankees already tried this 12 years ago and how did that work out for them? OH YEAH JOSH BECKETT BUDDY Yeah because building through the draft works so well? I can name at least 293 teams over the past 10 years that have FAILED to win the World Series, guess how many of them signed all the players? Zero. Wanker. QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 06:01 PM) Strategy to guaranteed victory. Eventually, you'll have every player who has at least one hand to throw with and thus, rest of the league fields teams of people who have no arms and only feet to throw. Certainty of winning...99.99999999%. Thank you! I'd LOVE to see Brian Sabean attempt to win a title with a rotation full of dudes firing baseballs out their bungholes. NOT. POSSIBLE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 06:09 PM) A Kalapse sighting, then he is gone hi kyle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 06:13 PM) hi kyle Miss your thome love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 06:17 PM) Miss your thome love Simpler times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 14, 2015 Author Share Posted January 14, 2015 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 11:36 PM) There are a number of reasons the White Sox didn't sign Lopez. 1) A K/9 of 5.1 in Serie Nacional does not bode well for him in the majors. Maybe there's something there, maybe not. Blindly throwing around money is crazy. 2) Spending $8.25 million on him comes with a 100% overage tax on anything exceeding the White Sox spending limit. I don't know what it is exactly, but it's much, much less than $8.25 million and they would have spent around $12-15 million on a virtually unknown prospect. 3) They could sign amateur free agents between now and July 2nd, and every single one of those signings would be doubled as a result of this signing because they were already over. If they signed someone for $500K, it's a $1 million overall cost. 4) As a result of those overages, once July 2, 2015 hits, they would not be able to sign anybody for more than $300K from that date until July 2, 2017. That means they miss out on all kinds of high end prospects that fall in that time frame, and the Latin American minor league supplements would also take a hit as a result. I get that you liked the guy, but this isn't a major loss and isn't a factor of Reinsdorf and company being cheap. EDIT: Also, this: isn't really a good defense for why the Sox should have signed him. If we don't know how far away he is from being a major league caliber pitcher, then why throw $8 million at him? This isn't similar to the Dayan Viciedo or Gerardo Concepcion signing the Cubs made where they signed these guys to decently sized contracts at a young age not knowing exactly how the product looked, this has much deeper drawbacks that would hurt the Sox long-term if he flamed out. if you use this scenario, then why ever sign the 1 rounders at a steep price. they all have the possibility of flaming out. with ref to your other statements, you do have a valid point, but again, we as fans are not privy to the real scouting rpts. but if it was only to spend money, to help in the rebuild faster i am for it. JR MO was to spend enuf to justify the salary. wasted yrs of great players b/c the org didn't want to spend that little extra. lets see if they will find another reclamation player and spin it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 14, 2015 Author Share Posted January 14, 2015 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 11:45 PM) How can you differ if you don't know either way? I'm not gonna lose sleep over a guy that nobody really knows about, and I will trust that the Sox know which international prospects they should throw money at and you have a point, but there is also a great chance that he might turn into something special. prospects are all gambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 14, 2015 Author Share Posted January 14, 2015 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 14, 2015 -> 12:01 AM) The Yankees already tried this 12 years ago and how did that work out for them? OH YEAH JOSH BECKETT BUDDY i am not saying sign all players or to load the team up with salary. the sox under Hahn is spacing the salary out nicely this team still has a weak farm and imho a sp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 06:36 PM) i am not saying sign all players or to load the team up with salary. You kind of are, you can pretty much beg the same question with every free agent on the market. The Sox didn't sign Lopez because they didn't and someone else did, it's really that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 14, 2015 Author Share Posted January 14, 2015 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jan 14, 2015 -> 12:40 AM) You kind of are, you can pretty much beg the same question with every free agent on the market. The Sox didn't sign Lopez because they didn't and someone else did, it's really that simple. i asked for the sox to sign a lot of the fa's??? you are wrong. and with the sox signing him or not, isn't this still a forum to exchange opinions??? it is really that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 06:44 PM) i asked for the sox to sign a lot of the fa's??? you are wrong. and with the sox signing him or not, isn't this still a forum to exchange opinions??? it is really that simple. In a way, no, I suppose, quality snark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 04:57 PM) i do beg to differ... there is really no scouting rpt that givens any hints on how far or close he is to the majors. The last report I saw thought he was going to start in A ball and that he was a major project. Nothing about his Cuban numbers screams he is ready. He barely threw any innings and his K/9 was something out of Mark Buehrle land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 05:48 PM) This does pose a much larger, critical question that I dare ANYONE to defend Rich Hahn on; why don't the Sox sign all the players? You have to go into a season with that plan. It would be stupid to start it now when most of the talent is off of the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 14, 2015 Author Share Posted January 14, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 14, 2015 -> 01:12 AM) The last report I saw thought he was going to start in A ball and that he was a major project. Nothing about his Cuban numbers screams he is ready. He barely threw any innings and his K/9 was something out of Mark Buehrle land. with that rpt, then i am glad the sox didn't sign him. i stand corrected. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 14, 2015 Author Share Posted January 14, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 14, 2015 -> 02:12 AM) The last report I saw thought he was going to start in A ball and that he was a major project. Nothing about his Cuban numbers screams he is ready. He barely threw any innings and his K/9 was something out of Mark Buehrle land. i was a little distracted, but let me ask this, if Lopez need developmental time, wouldn't it be like any prospects who was drafted? does he rate and a equivalent to a first round??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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