justBLAZE Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 #WhiteSox and Dayan Viciedo have agreed to terms on a one-year, $4.4-million contract, avoiding arbitration. The White Sox have five remaining artibration eligible players: catcher Tyler Flowers and right-handed pitchers Javy Guerra, Nate Jones, Hector Noesi and Jeff Samardzija Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Not bad for a bench piece Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I thought this was done a long time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 This does not preclude them from moving him still. It was something that had to be done. However, each passing day increases the chances of him remaining a member of the White Sox, so there's that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 QUOTE (shipps @ Jan 12, 2015 -> 04:37 PM) I thought this was done a long time ago. They tendered him a contract at the non-tender deadline. We were aware of approximately how much he would cost, but didn't have exact figures. With the arbitration deadline approaching, they would have had to sign him to a contract or have the arbiter decide his salary, and that's always very messy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 12, 2015 -> 04:39 PM) They tendered him a contract at the non-tender deadline. We were aware of approximately how much he would cost, but didn't have exact figures. With the arbitration deadline approaching, they would have had to sign him to a contract or have the arbiter decide his salary, and that's always very messy. For the small amounts of difference that we'd be talking about, just throw the player the extra thousands and walk away with the good will. The White Sox are masters at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 No surprise really. I still hold onto hope that he is eventually traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 The question I have is...is this contract guaranteed? It's been suggested that arbitration settlements are not guaranteed for anything more than $750k at the end of spring training but this is not an arbitration settlement, its' a contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 12, 2015 -> 10:41 PM) For the small amounts of difference that we'd be talking about, just throw the player the extra thousands and walk away with the good will. The White Sox are masters at it. but DV agent is the kind of person who gives a rats arse for good will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 12, 2015 -> 10:44 PM) The question I have is...is this contract guaranteed? It's been suggested that arbitration settlements are not guaranteed for anything more than $750k at the end of spring training but this is not an arbitration settlement, its' a contract. i am with you, i think it is guarantee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Hope he is traded before ST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 12, 2015 -> 05:44 PM) The question I have is...is this contract guaranteed? It's been suggested that arbitration settlements are not guaranteed for anything more than $750k at the end of spring training but this is not an arbitration settlement, its' a contract. Binding arbitration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shago Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Actually think this helps us trade him.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I did not know Shark was abr eliegible -- thought he had a contract. Oh, well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 QUOTE (oldsox @ Jan 12, 2015 -> 07:18 PM) I did not know Shark was abr eliegible -- thought he had a contract. Oh, well. Also likely means the Sox have at last thrown extension offers at Shark's camp. As for Tank, meh, in my mind he has space on this team as a DH against LHP. LaRoche has proven he shouldn't be out there. Honestly, Tank is going to be needed in LF or RF before too long. He is a much better insurance policy than most teams have. Most likely he will suck, but there is upside there and for $4.4M in today's game, I like the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 What's the Sox payroll at now that Viciedo's 4.4 million is set now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFinn Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 12, 2015 -> 10:22 PM) What's the Sox payroll at now that Viciedo's 4.4 million is set now? From baseball-reference.com, the Sox obligations are: $95.5 Million for players under contract (Jose Abreu, John Danks, David Robertson, Melky Cabrera, Alexei Ramirez, Chris Sale, Jose Quintana, Adam LaRoche, Zach Duke, Dayan Viciedo, Emilio Bonifacio, Felipe Paulino, and Jeff Keppinger) $15.4 Million estimated for 5 arbitration cases (Jeff Samardzija, Tyler Flowers, Hector Noesi, Nate Jones, and Javy Guerra) $6 Million estimated for players to fill out the 25-man roster About $117 Million total for the whole roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Like that the original press release from the Sox had him with 20+ homers in three of the last four seasons. Wishful thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 From baseball-reference.com, the Sox obligations are: $95.5 Million for players under contract (Jose Abreu, John Danks, David Robertson, Melky Cabrera, Alexei Ramirez, Chris Sale, Jose Quintana, Adam LaRoche, Zach Duke, Dayan Viciedo, Emilio Bonifacio, Felipe Paulino, and Jeff Keppinger) $15.4 Million estimated for 5 arbitration cases (Jeff Samardzija, Tyler Flowers, Hector Noesi, Nate Jones, and Javy Guerra) $6 Million estimated for players to fill out the 25-man roster About $117 Million total for the whole roster. That's close to what I have: $89.55M for 11 roster players under contract for 2015 $15.4M for 5 roster players who are arbitration eligible for 2015 $4.95M for 9 roster players who are pre-arbitration for 2015 $5.5M for 2 non-roster players who are owed money on contracts in 2015 Adds up to $115.4M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) Is it just me or does 4.4M sound astronomical for what Viciedo will give you, which is a few HR's, a lot of K's, a low average and a low OBP? Edit: Oh, and I forgot bad fielding. I'd have preferred if they just let that black hole in our lineup go. Edited January 13, 2015 by Y2HH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Is it just me or does 4.4M sound astronomical for what Viciedo will give you, which is a few HR's, a lot of K's, a low average and a low OBP? Edit: Oh, and I forgot bad fielding. I'd have preferred if they just let that black hole in our lineup go. Would have been my preference as well. Not sure why he's still around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 07:55 AM) Is it just me or does 4.4M sound astronomical for what Viciedo will give you, which is a few HR's, a lot of K's, a low average and a low OBP? Edit: Oh, and I forgot bad fielding. I'd have preferred if they just let that black hole in our lineup go. It would have, but then again, $4 million seems to be the cost of a back up utility guy around baseball now, so yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I think there seems to be a really good chance Dayan ends up being the RH platoon to Laroche at DH and an occasional spot start in LF/RF. Having a guy withhis power on the bench isn't a bad thing, especially if we don't have to see him field much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 07:55 AM) Is it just me or does 4.4M sound astronomical for what Viciedo will give you, which is a few HR's, a lot of K's, a low average and a low OBP? Edit: Oh, and I forgot bad fielding. I'd have preferred if they just let that black hole in our lineup go. Not astronomical, but it's probably more than his value. Delmon Young is a very comparable player overall and he had to settle for a 1 year, $3 million deal. Really though, teams are paying $6-7 million in the free agent market for 1 WAR players. If some team out there believes he can improve defensively to the point where he's not a total liability and they feel they can get him to hit .250 or .260, he'd be worth it. At this point, those both seem like long shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 09:09 AM) Not astronomical, but it's probably more than his value. Delmon Young is a very comparable player overall and he had to settle for a 1 year, $3 million deal. Really though, teams are paying $6-7 million in the free agent market for 1 WAR players. If some team out there believes he can improve defensively to the point where he's not a total liability and they feel they can get him to hit .250 or .260, he'd be worth it. At this point, those both seem like long shots. I know you acknowledged the longshotitude, but I don't see why any team would believe that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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