Jerksticks Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I hope we let this go to FA. Anything else would feel really premature and creepy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) The Sox gave up one prospect who is a possible starter to them in the future, the trade was a no brainer whether they re-sign Jeff or not. Edited January 13, 2015 by Rowand44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Just to stress a point...saying "People are dramatically overrating the value of a comp pick" is not equal to saying that was a bad move. That is instead to point out that a comp pick has very poor value compared with, for example, keeping the pitcher around, and if we walk away with only a comp pick that's like finding a quarter on the sidewalk. Nice, but not likely to make a long term difference in your life. They made the trade because they wanted him this year and were willing to spend a heckuva lot more than I thought they would be to do it. The comp pick shouldn't even enter into that discussion, you made the trade because you wanted that player more than the other guys. Similarly, it should barely register on the list of things you care about whether you're deciding to sign him long term. What should matter for that is how he performs, whether he's worth the contract, whether we can afford it, and whether we're still looking to spend this level/be competitive for the next few years. The comp pick is negligible compared to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatnom Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I think a lot depends on how well the Sox do this year. They'd be more inclined to sign him if we were winning, I would think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 QUOTE (gatnom @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 12:59 PM) I think a lot depends on how well the Sox do this year. They'd be more inclined to sign him if we were winning, I would think. The problem is...the longer they wait, the closer that Samardzija is to FA, and if he's repeating his opening half from last year that makes his potential case even stronger. Plus, it's not uncommon for players to say "I don't want to deal with negotiating during a season, I've got a season to focus on" and I can't blame them for that. I'd almost rather both sides think that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I like the trade for several reasons. One, of course, is taht the Sox have Samardzija for at least 2015. With the other additions, this team is much better than last year. Second, the Sox also got Ynoa who seems to have some potential. Third, they really didn't give up that much for him. I was expecting to see Anderson or Danish involved, and they weren't. Finally, the Sox now have the first opportunity to sign him to a long term deal. Personally, I think he extends with the Sox for somewhere in the neighborhood of 5/$110. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 ^ Yea and I think many people are over-looking the whole respect issue and the human side involved here. The only time we are going to get a hometown discount is AFTER the season, not before. The dude doesn't even know if he likes pitching here yet or if he likes his teammates etc. It looks good though, being a hometown boy and all, so there is no need to worry that we aren't extending him at the moment. Let him pitch a season. If we are winning and he's having fun here, he will sacrifice dollars to stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 11:06 AM) Why the hell would you trade prospects for a rental? If the SOX traded for this guy for a year, they are dumber than I thought. Whether or not he signs an extension, they bought ONE YEAR of him for those prospects. If they decide to offer him a contract top buy more, that's fine, but it's a separate deal. Whether we like it or not, they DID buy a rental. And the move needs to be evaluated based on what they bought rather than what they will be in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 If I was in Smardzija's position, I wouldn't even consider signing an extension until I got a feel for the team and organization to see if it is a good fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southwest Sider Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 03:01 PM) If I was in Smardzija's position, I wouldn't even consider signing an extension until I got a feel for the team and organization to see if it is a good fit. He has already said as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 They'll extend him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 03:10 PM) They'll extend him I want you to be right more than ever, Rock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 someone asked about giving up prospects for rentals. a good question. it needs to be look at it in several different way. for me the price was a little steep, however lets look at it, 1. he will help this team to get to the playoff, 2. the sox will get a draft pick, comp pick. 3. that comp pick can land the sox a really great player, at worst a serviceable player. 4. if the sox goes deep into the playoff, it would be b/c of the team that Hahn assembled thru pitchers and positional player. lastly with 2 first rounders, the sox will continue to build the farm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 QUOTE (South Sider @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 03:07 PM) He has already said as much. He is wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 QUOTE (knightni @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 07:09 AM) Jeff Samardzija has turned down a 5 year $75-80 million contract with the Cubs - and got traded to Oakland. They traded him for minimal minor league replacement to the Sox (perhaps due to not being able to extend him). What size of contract offer do you think that he would receive from the Sox? Will his agent demand an extension early to avoid arbitration, or will he accept arbitration and let the contract extension linger through the season? Will he choose free agency and not extend at all? What are your guesses, Soxtalk? It's been long stated that he intends to explore free agency. He's from an union family, and has expressed his desire to exercise his rights gained in collective bargaining. Could he sign with the White Sox? It's very possible. But I doubt an extension happens. Sox don't really lose in this situation, as they will likely get a 1st round pick if he walks(and assuming they make him the qualifying offer). If he signs(either an extension or after looking at the market), they will have top flight Righty to complement the embarrassment of riches that are the Sox left handed options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I think he will take less salary to help the team plug more holes next year. Probably a lot of secret compensations available as well. Makes you wonder what Chris Sale actually gets paid by the White Sox. He's gotta be getting hooked up somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I think its possible they will extend him for bigger money than we think. They know they can market this guy probably better than anyone on the roster in a long time. They will see the investment as not just an on the field investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 09:04 AM) They will announce an extension to kick off Soxfest and it was agreed to before the trade. Pure speculation. That would be really cool, but I don't think it's going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvjeremylv Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 10:04 AM) They will announce an extension to kick off Soxfest and it was agreed to before the trade. Pure speculation. Would be nice, but I don't think they could keep something like that under wraps for so long. Not these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 didn't Jeff S stated a couple weeks ago that he will explore the FA rt. does that mean there will be no home town discounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 04:58 PM) I think he will take less salary to help the team plug more holes next year. Probably a lot of secret compensations available as well. Makes you wonder what Chris Sale actually gets paid by the White Sox. He's gotta be getting hooked up somehow. Chris sale wanted a long term commitment from the sox. and gave up some of his free agency years to get that. He didn't want to play the arbitration game and have a bunch of one year contracts. He'll still get the big mega contract, but he got a little more money in his pre-free agency years as well as the safety net of a long term deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Jan 14, 2015 -> 12:58 AM) didn't Jeff S stated a couple weeks ago that he will explore the FA rt. does that mean there will be no home town discounts. It means he's not signing an extension. Hahn said they knew that going into the trade, but that the sox still will try and make an offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 The best thing the sox can do to convince him to stay long term is win. This deal works for both parties. Jeff is on a big market teams that may be a playoff contender. if he has a good year and helps the Sox do some damage, his stock will rise. The Sox get a legit Ace for at least one year and all they had to give up was Marcus Semian. And if they cant resign Jeff, they get a FIRST ROUND compensation pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Noob question why is an extension worse than being signed as a FA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jan 14, 2015 -> 09:38 AM) Noob question why is an extension worse than being signed as a FA? Your FA signing will most likely be much larger & longer, because you will have teams competing against each other for your services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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