cabiness42 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Still defying multiple court orders and refusing to issue licenses. http://www.wkyt.com/home/headlines/Rowan-C...-323580981.html Need legal experts to weigh in here: Do the couples who are getting denied licenses have grounds for a civil suit for damages? If so, isn't it in the county's best interests to find somebody to issue the licenses if she won't? It seems that, by doing nothing, the county is passively supporting her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 1, 2015 -> 09:34 AM) Still defying multiple court orders and refusing to issue licenses. http://www.wkyt.com/home/headlines/Rowan-C...-323580981.html I have a lot more sympathy for a private business who tries to pull this, though still not a whole lot. I have zero sympathy for someone at the governmental level who does this. Governments shouldn't have religious bias, and as an employee of a government you represent that nonreligious government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 She's not just a clerk in the office, she's the elected County Clerk and her name is on all official forms that come out of that office. It's not a matter of the people applying for the license just going to the employee at the next window, it's that per her instructions, marriage licenses for same-sex couples will not be issued from her office at all. If you're same-sex and live in that county, you have no other option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 She's not just a clerk in the office, she's the elected County Clerk and her name is on all official forms that come out of that office. It's not a matter of the people applying for the license just going to the employee at the next window, it's that per her instructions, marriage licenses for same-sex couples will not be issued from her office at all. If you're same-sex and live in that county, you have no other option. I understand that, but it seems like the county should have some kind of option for doing work that an elected official is refusing to do. A judge ought to have the authority to either remove and replace her, or at least give somebody the authority to issue the licenses in order to protect the county from liability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Sep 1, 2015 -> 09:47 AM) I understand that, but it seems like the county should have some kind of option for doing work that an elected official is refusing to do. A judge ought to have the authority to either remove and replace her, or at least give somebody the authority to issue the licenses in order to protect the county from liability. She should be impeached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 The judge probably has the ability to throw her in jail for contempt of court, but if they're an elected judge, I'm doubtful that they would take that risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Sep 1, 2015 -> 09:39 AM) Need legal experts to weigh in here: Do the couples who are getting denied licenses have grounds for a civil suit for damages? If so, isn't it in the county's best interests to find somebody to issue the licenses if she won't? It seems that, by doing nothing, the county is passively supporting her. Yeah you would think. Where are the other county officials? Why aren't they stepping in to put some pressure on her? Or even the state. Surely they'd have some recourse against the county if she continues to refuse to do her job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_...-09-01-08-52-48 Apparently the lawyers don't want her to go to jail. They want her to pay money damages. I wonder why. Also it's weird that she stopped issuing marriage licenses all together. Two straight couples were also denied licenses. Pretty screwed up situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 1, 2015 -> 02:54 PM) Yeah you would think. Where are the other county officials? Why aren't they stepping in to put some pressure on her? Because then they'd be persecuting a Christian who is just following her faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 1, 2015 -> 09:58 AM) http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_...-09-01-08-52-48 Apparently the lawyers don't want her to go to jail. They want her to pay money damages. I wonder why. Also it's weird that she stopped issuing marriage licenses all together. Two straight couples were also denied licenses. Pretty screwed up situation. Maybe sending her to jail allows Davis to portray herself as some sort of a martyr whereas paying a fine isn't nearly as much of a spectacle? It's dumb grandstanding like this that's part of the reason greg's religious poll has the numbers it does. Religious homophobia has driven a lot of people away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Sep 1, 2015 -> 09:58 AM) Because then they'd be persecuting a Christian who is just following her faith. http://www.themoreheadnews.com/davis-facin...04eda149f7.html I guess the county attorney's did file a complaint and sent it to the AG's office. They're also claiming the county can't do anything else and it's up to the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Because then they'd be persecuting a Christian who is just following her faith. Except that in the Bible the sexual act is the sin and not the marriage. And since we all know how much less sex there is once you get married, she'd be helping them out by issuing the licenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 i wish there was some sort of clause that stated if she was unwilling to do her job based on religion, that she could be impeached. You know that whole separation of religion and state thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 The state legislature could impeach her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 1, 2015 -> 10:50 AM) i wish there was some sort of clause that stated if she was unwilling to do her job based on religion, that she could be impeached. You know that whole separation of religion and state thing. If she isn't fulfilling the duties of her office, she should be able to be impeached. The problem is that it takes someone with the political willpower to do it, and most politicians are too scared for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 http://www.themoreheadnews.com/davis-facin...04eda149f7.html I guess the county attorney's did file a complaint and sent it to the AG's office. They're also claiming the county can't do anything else and it's up to the state. The AG is running for governor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Amazed that after all this it's basically just a handful of judges that have been an issue. Again, amazing the progress in 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 1, 2015 -> 08:58 AM) http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_...-09-01-08-52-48 Apparently the lawyers don't want her to go to jail. They want her to pay money damages. I wonder why. Also it's weird that she stopped issuing marriage licenses all together. Two straight couples were also denied licenses. Pretty screwed up situation. Monetary sanctions are probably a harsher penalty for her than jail... particularly since no one seems to be in a hurry to start impeachment proceedings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) She'll have a GoFundMe for dopes to send her huge piles of cash shortly if she doesn't already. edit: apparently the Kentucy state legislature is on their regular recess until next year, so barring an (expensive) special session just to impeach this county clerk, the earliest they could even vote to impeach her is months from now. Edited September 1, 2015 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I realize this is really petty on my part to even bring it up, but... apparently this clerk has been married four times. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I realize this is really petty on my part to even bring it up, but... apparently this clerk has been married four times. LOL Christianity has split up in to so many sects and denominations, so there is no universal standard, but in general, divorce and remarriage are only acceptable if the other spouse committed adultery or abuse. Of course death of a spouse is also an acceptable reason to get married again. I don't know her particular situation, but it's highly improbable that all of her marriages would be considered acceptable by the general Christian viewpoint, so it really isn't that petty for you to bring this up. It's a symbol of the serious problem of heterosexual Christians screaming about one of God's rules for marriage while at the same time ignoring others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 06:52 AM) I realize this is really petty on my part to even bring it up, but... apparently this clerk has been married four times. LOL No...not petty. If you are going to claim gays are ruining the sanctity of marriage when you yourself are ruining the sanctity of marriage, then you are a total hyprocrite and any religious / personal stand goes away because you don't act in that manner. What a pathetic person. PS: Not only married 4 times, but her first marriage ended when she got pregnant with twins from someone other then her husband. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 04:52 PM) No...not petty. If you are going to claim gays are ruining the sanctity of marriage when you yourself are ruining the sanctity of marriage, then you are a total hyprocrite and any religious / personal stand goes away because you don't act in that manner. What a pathetic person. PS: Not only married 4 times, but her first marriage ended when she got pregnant with twins from someone other then her husband. The baby daddy was her 3rd husband. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I wonder what she would have claimed if someone had denied her a marriage license based on their religion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 10:55 AM) The baby daddy was her 3rd husband. She gave birth to twins five months after divorcing her first husband. They were fathered by her third husband but adopted by her second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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