LDF Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 i have been thinking in the last several months about this. with the ability of the advance stats, do you think MLB should look into expanding each MLB team players from 25-30 players??? i think the union would love anything to bring in more players up, but do you think it is a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 the pinning of this thread confuses me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 (edited) Idea makes sense, but it would take a lot of negotiating. Owners are not going to want to add 5 spots that will likely be at some sort of veteran minimum, because you're not going to want to just fill it with rookies, you want those players to be in MiLB getting daily reps. Also, would it be whatever they wanted or limited to field players or BP or some sort of slots? Games would take longer, something they're trying to get away from, if you can use it for added BP since there'd be more changes. Edited January 30, 2015 by SoxFan562004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 QUOTE (Reddy @ Jan 30, 2015 -> 11:58 AM) the pinning of this thread confuses me As does the title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I have renamed the title and unpinned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 30 is way too much. I say 26 at most. But honestly would just rather see it stay. Game will become way too specialized if it gets any bigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jan 30, 2015 -> 12:50 PM) 30 is way too much. I say 26 at most. But honestly would just rather see it stay. Game will become way too specialized if it gets any bigger. Not only that but it inherently raises the payroll. The game would see even more players that don't belong in the MLB especially pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I'm not saying I care, but this would slow the games down, and it doesn't seem like they're gonna do stuff that slows the game down for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 25 is enough. And I hope the September rules become tougher. With expanded rosters, fine bring guys up...but turn in a 25-man roster each day that includes your four previous starting pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 30, 2015 -> 01:13 PM) 25 is enough. And I hope the September rules become tougher. With expanded rosters, fine bring guys up...but turn in a 25-man roster each day that includes your four previous starting pitchers. flavum for new Commissioner! The September roster rules are my biggest pet peeve for some stupid reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Change the game for the sake of statistics, or change the game because of statistics?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 30, 2015 -> 02:07 PM) I'm not saying I care, but this would slow the games down, and it doesn't seem like they're gonna do stuff that slows the game down for a while. This was my first thought as well. More players inevitably means more substitutions, which will degrade watchability further. They can look into tweaking the rules regarding call-ups and what have you if they think more flexibility is necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I think they should do a 26 man roster, but do like hockey does, and only dress 25 players for a game. The more players a manager can use in a game will just translate to more bullpen arms, which means more changing of the pitchers in a game which will slow the game down ever more. They've made it clear they are trying to speed the game up. I only see the roster expanding with a "dress" limit still being 25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 my first thought of expanding to more than 25 is b/c the advance stats has a place and pitching can use the 5-6 man rotation. mlb was a 3 man rotation and in the early 1900-1910, they went to the 4 man rotation, thereby expanding the roster. now this was unheard and etc.... pretty much was the same points made today. 1925 - det used the first 5 man rotation and mlb was uproar, but it went back to 4 man rotation. 1969 world series, the mets used the 5 man rotation in modern baseball during the series. 1973 Wilbur wood knees and sox owners, with the AL division, certified the 5 man rotation and expanded the roster. there are times from the 50's thru that sometimes a 6 man rotation wrere used. so all this, baseball, thru history have change, to some a positive and to others to their disdain. but it can stand to go with a 6 man rotation and have the roster expand. with hitting, the team can carry more specialize players. specialize players are part of the game, there are Closers, Relief pitchers, Rh and Lh. spot starters. so in essence, the mlb is now using specialize players, the roster can stand to have more of those players. all of which improves the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Most #5 starters really suck as it is. The last thing I want to see trotting out to the mound are #6 starters. Now, if you want to contract two teams and then add a roster spot for the remaining 28 teams, fine. That still leaves a net -22 s***ty baseball players in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jan 30, 2015 -> 09:04 PM) Most #5 starters really suck as it is. The last thing I want to see trotting out to the mound are #6 starters. Now, if you want to contract two teams and then add a roster spot for the remaining 28 teams, fine. That still leaves a net -22 s***ty baseball players in the league. you are missing the point, the point is with the advance stats, a discussion can be made of more specialize players, one of which can be a #6 sp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 (edited) Advanced stats, length of the game, the biggest reason why this idea will never happen is money. Besides, why do they want to make it even harder to hit? It will be like the NHL back when it was first to 2 wins. Edited January 30, 2015 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 31, 2015 Author Share Posted January 31, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 30, 2015 -> 08:13 PM) Advanced stats, length of the game, the biggest reason why this idea will never happen is money. Besides, why do they want to make it even harder to hit? It will be like the NHL back when it was first to 2 wins. this is of course a discussion of something that may not happen, but i still think that it needs to be thought off. so in your summary, the only reason will be the cost of such a decision. of course you are 100% correct. but i think adding a player will help out with the new technology coming in and the owners may embrace it. situational hitting and pitching will prove to be more helpful than not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 25 is enough 24th and 25th guy really not MLB quality most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted February 2, 2015 Author Share Posted February 2, 2015 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Feb 1, 2015 -> 12:16 AM) 25 is enough 24th and 25th guy really not MLB quality most of the time. as you said, most of the time, but there are being used as backup. i am talking about the ability of the team to expand, to ably use the expansion for to further use the concept of advance metrics. but there are other benefits as when the roster is use and rest is needed to for some players esp in late July and aug. i am sure there were discussions everytime mlb has thought of improving the game. the purist will always say no, i am saying that this might be thought of more in the future. but mlb are not going to listen to fans on a sport forum site. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaDoc Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Interesting thought but I remember the days of Herb Washington. Herb may be a great guy but in two years and 105 games he never had a plate appearance. I am in favor of baseball players having baseball skills not further specialization. I believe in platooning and match ups but there should be a trade off involved i.e. less flexibility later in the game. It is part of the beauty of the game and I am hoping that the versatile player like a Zobrist or even a Bonifacio is appreciated over players who are strictly one dimensional. There should be a price to pay for lineups with a slow, high strikeout, poor defense power only hitters. There is value beyond just stats for the rubber armed reliever who can pitch multiple days or give you several innings or spot start. He protects the rest of the pitching staff. We have historic rates for lack of contact and the ability to do the little things especially on defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 QUOTE (BamaDoc @ Feb 3, 2015 -> 10:45 AM) Interesting thought but I remember the days of Herb Washington. Herb may be a great guy but in two years and 105 games he never had a plate appearance. I am in favor of baseball players having baseball skills not further specialization. I believe in platooning and match ups but there should be a trade off involved i.e. less flexibility later in the game. It is part of the beauty of the game and I am hoping that the versatile player like a Zobrist or even a Bonifacio is appreciated over players who are strictly one dimensional. There should be a price to pay for lineups with a slow, high strikeout, poor defense power only hitters. There is value beyond just stats for the rubber armed reliever who can pitch multiple days or give you several innings or spot start. He protects the rest of the pitching staff. We have historic rates for lack of contact and the ability to do the little things especially on defense. I love every time Herb Washington is brought up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 you are missing the point, the point is with the advance stats, a discussion can be made of more specialize players, one of which can be a #6 sp. Advanced stats don't magically make a #6 starter better. If anything, advanced stats are telling us that the 24th and 25th guys on the roster are a lot worse than we thought they were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 with the way teams blow thru relievers during any given week...I wouldn't have a problem bumping it up to 27 or so. Might save some arms too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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