bmags Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 (edited) I just got back from vacation and am pretty alarmed at the Measles outbreak. This obviously is not epic proportions yet, but to see a disease come back after being defeated is very, very frustrating. The reactions so far, have been predictable. The worst being a certain amount of fradenscheude at the nonsensical anti-vaxxers. It would be fun to partake except actual very vulnerable children and elderly may die from this. I'm happy to see real societal consequences being thrown at those who do not vaccinate their kids. They should have difficulty being admitted to public schools. They should see difficulty getting treatment from doctors. The reactions I've read so far from the anti-vaccination league has been, predictably, victimization. Gain footing by acting oppressed, always a strongsuit. It is almost comically scary they way they can deflect any criticism though. It reminds me of interactions with very, very unflattering group examples which probably aren't constructive to say. But, deep down it hurts that something so ludicrous is going to kill helpless people. You'd think listening to them that the world has never seen an unhealthier time than 1950-2015. Before that was fine and dandy. edit: here is the article that spawned it http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/31/us/vacci...-share&_r=2 Edited January 31, 2015 by bmags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Kill all anti-vaxxers, banish their children from society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 When in doubt, blame Smoking Jay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 31, 2015 Author Share Posted January 31, 2015 Yikes, under 30 groups plurality in favor of letting parents decide on vaccines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 31, 2015 -> 01:01 PM) Kill all anti-vaxxers, banish their children from society. It may keep the rest healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 We have all the tools to inform people, but those same tools can misinform. While some people used to be underinformed, now they have all the information and then some - and choose wrongly. I research communication and science/risk communication is one of the field's biggest growing areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 QUOTE (Jake @ Jan 31, 2015 -> 02:00 PM) We have all the tools to inform people, but those same tools can misinform. While some people used to be underinformed, now they have all the information and then some - and choose wrongly. I research communication and science/risk communication is one of the field's biggest growing areas. Can't tell you how many patients come to the clinic with poor information from webMD or other web sources. I spend more time telling them why they are wrong in what they think they need to do as oppsed to treting them. The other problem is workers comp patients. They can do so much research on what a problem should look like that it is getting tougher to pick them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 One thing that leaves me somewhat hopeful...this happened before with Measles. Late 1980s there was a resurgence of the disease, in part associated with a increasing number of people who didn't get the vaccine. There were some changes in vaccine recommendations, but the reality is that watching kids with the Measles was enough to encourage people to actually do the vaccinations for literally 30 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 I think this is finally an issue we can ALL agree on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 No mention of the vast amount of illegal immigrants coming in who are bringing with them these diseases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 84 cases of measles Since June is certainly sad and I'm glad it's getting media attention, and casting negative light in the insane antivaccers Now can the media please turn more attention to the fact that in 2011 (most recent year with data per the CDC) 12,000 people were diagnosed with cervical cancer and 4000 people died from it. theres a vaccine that prevents people from getting cancer (think about that for a minute) and we can't get children vaccinated because some insane morons think it makes their sons and daughters more promiscuous. Such a huge public health issue - think about how huge the cost is to screen women with Pap smears, follow up biopsies, colposcopies, treating the cancers etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jan 31, 2015 -> 04:02 PM) No mention of the vast amount of illegal immigrants coming in who are bringing with them these diseases? This isn't the problem. The problem is there's people who believe medical science is actually some conspiracy theory that will hurt their kids, when in reality, it does not and it's supposed to stop the spread of highly contagious diseases. Measles is one of the easiest diseases to prevent, yet there's crazy people who would rather have their kids live through it. Edited January 31, 2015 by chw42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 31, 2015 -> 04:29 PM) This isn't the problem. The problem is there's people who believe medical science is actually some conspiracy theory that will hurt their kids, when in reality, it does not and it's supposed to stop the spread of highly contagious diseases. It's one of the easiest diseases to prevent, yet there's crazy people who would rather have their kids live through it. Which is a really common belief in many African and Islamic states and cultures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 31, 2015 -> 04:45 PM) Which is a really common belief in many African and Islamic states and cultures. But they're not the ones coming here as illegal immigrants...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Jesus Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 The most important aspect of anti-vaxxer idiocy is obviously Mexicans Africans and Muslims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 31, 2015 -> 04:50 PM) The most important aspect of anti-vaxxer idiocy is obviously Mexicans Africans and Muslims. Americans are never at fault, blame it on foreign people, they're weird! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 On that note, the cia using a vaccination program in Pakistan to gather DNA info sure as f*** didn't help dispel those fears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 31, 2015 -> 04:52 PM) Americans are never at fault, blame it on foreign people, they're weird! I never said either of those, you two took it to those extremes. but if you think it has zero to do with it, you are just living with your heads in the sand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Undocumented immigrants have nothing to do with a bunch of upper class mainly white people not vaccinating their children over a bunch of garbage pseudo-science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jan 31, 2015 -> 05:56 PM) I never said either of those, you two took it to those extremes. but if you think it has zero to do with it, you are just living with your heads in the sand. You know, if "Americans can't be at fault, it's all the dirty mexicans" is "taking it to it an extreme", the original statement "no comment on all the immigrants bringing it in" seems to be pretty much on the exact same level to me. Both of them look like satire. One of them was said seemingly believing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jan 31, 2015 -> 04:56 PM) I never said either of those, you two took it to those extremes. but if you think it has zero to do with it, you are just living with your heads in the sand. Because illegal immigrants can afford to let their kids go to Disneyland and spread Measles...sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 1, 2015 Author Share Posted February 1, 2015 Immunization rates of measles. http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.IMM.MEAS/countries US is 8 points worse than Mexico. Behind pretty much every Central American country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jan 31, 2015 -> 05:02 PM) No mention of the vast amount of illegal immigrants coming in who are bringing with them these diseases? sweet wounded jesus. gmafb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 31, 2015 -> 04:48 PM) Jesus Christ. Im in favor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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