Whisox05 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 The #WhiteSox announce that Dayan Vicideo has been released. They also acquire RHP Yency Almonte from #Angels as PTBNL in Beckham trade. https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/563061804432375808 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 http://m.mlb.com/video/v25794471/top-prosp...onte-rhp-angels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 http://angels.scout.com/story/1364408-pros...0-yency-almonte 20th ranked prospect entering the 2014 campaign (Per InsidetheHalo's). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 About time. At least they got a warm body. 17th round righty. Will be 21 in June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 That's a better prospect than I thought they were going to get. He's still young and the Sox can mold him into a solid player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 He's been about what you would expect for a month and a half of Gordon Beckham so far: http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/p...traderumors.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 One of the top 2 Yency's of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Quick report on Almonte - scouting info, video link, stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 another interesting snippet. hope you don't mind http://www.baseballfactory.com/AllAmerica/...l/Yency-Almonte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Sweet. I didn't think we were getting anything for him. So we managed to get a live arm and get Beckham back on a pretty steep paycut, and as a back up. Can't beat that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Feb 4, 2015 -> 02:36 PM) another interesting snippet. hope you don't mind http://www.baseballfactory.com/AllAmerica/...l/Yency-Almonte Another converted outfielder. The Sox aren't afraid to think outside of the box, that is for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 When OFers convert, does their velocity tend to improve or does it pretty much start where it starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 He started pitching in high school, and was drafted as a pitcher, so I'm not sure we can call this guy a convert to pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 4, 2015 -> 02:59 PM) When OFers convert, does their velocity tend to improve or does it pretty much start where it starts. Good question, and I don't know. On the one hand, having to isolate a delivery and command a pitch with a repeatable delivery probably slows things down... on the other hand, getting yourself into a proper delivery with better leverage and lower body usage probably helps increase it. Not sure which wins out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 4, 2015 -> 02:59 PM) When OFers convert, does their velocity tend to improve or does it pretty much start where it starts. Further fun on this, I recall a long time ago, watching a report on when someone decided to put Dave Winfield in a batting cage as a pitcher and see how hard he could throw. As I recall he was well over 100, closing in on 110, but of course couldn't throw strikes consistently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Live arm, makes sense, aligns with my expectations from the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Feb 4, 2015 -> 01:27 PM) Further fun on this, I recall a long time ago, watching a report on when someone decided to put Dave Winfield in a batting cage as a pitcher and see how hard he could throw. As I recall he was well over 100, closing in on 110, but of course couldn't throw strikes consistently. I think there must have been some exaggeration from the reporter. Either way, interesting. By the below statistics, it is Nolan Ryan who threw the fastest recorded pitch DURING an MLB game. Would be curious during showcases, etc, what the highest recorded would be (as it could likely differ from a game). Cool to see Big Bad Bobby Jenks in there. http://www.efastball.com/baseball/stats/fa...-major-leagues/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Denny Almonte's little brother eh? That's pretty cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Feb 4, 2015 -> 03:26 PM) Good question, and I don't know. On the one hand, having to isolate a delivery and command a pitch with a repeatable delivery probably slows things down... on the other hand, getting yourself into a proper delivery with better leverage and lower body usage probably helps increase it. Not sure which wins out. It really depends on if they embrace the mechanics of throwing off the mound properly. When you throw in the OF you can get momentum in motion as you are usually getting behind the ball, moving through the catch, and for the most part using quite a bit of your lower half through the throw. The finish is usually a continuing of momentum after the throw, and you de-accelerate. In pitching its different. You are starting in a fixed position. You pick up your leg and usually need to start momentum with your back leg, your front hip usually leads the way. You use a pushing down to drive towards the pitchers plate. Think about getting ready to do a standing jump, you coil a bit and push off. You coil around your belly button then start to move this towards the plate. You usually need to wait until foot plant to start rotating. The finish is a bit harder because you usually want to keep your glove side pretty straight with your front leg firm as well. You rotate around not swiveling around it. This takes a lot of time to teach and focus. Generating velocity from a fixed position is not easy. The other thing is command and control. At 60'6 inches you move your hand just a small amount and the ball drastically can move on the tail end. So learning repeatable mechanics, getting a feel for the pitches and being able to get enough reps to make it all seem natural takes a lot of work. This is just basic throwing within the zone. Teaching more advanced pitches is complex as well. I am talking about teaching it to a point where you can get major leaguers out. How many times have we seen a game in garbage time where the OF comes into pitch. The OF has an amazing arm, yet when they pitch. Its a slow down. Its a combination of a few things. One is imperfect mechanics and the other is trust in their stuff to throw strikes. Edited February 4, 2015 by southsideirish71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Probably start in Kanny? I like this..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorkChopExpress Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 How many times do you think a team has completed a trade after reacquiring the player they traded away in the first place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 QUOTE (PorkChopExpress @ Feb 5, 2015 -> 04:14 PM) How many times do you think a team has completed a trade after reacquiring the player they traded away in the first place? I'm not sure, but I know that John MacDonald once got traded for himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I remember the Sox traded Ron Hansen for Tim Cullen (others involved in trade); then later that year they traded Tim Cullen for Ron Hansen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 5, 2015 -> 05:57 PM) I'm not sure, but I know that John MacDonald once got traded for himself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McDonald_%28infielder%29 Toronto Blue Jays/Detroit Tigers (2005) During the first part of the 2005 season with the Blue Jays, McDonald was primarily a backup for Russ Adams at shortstop, and recorded a .290 batting average in 37 games. He was traded to the Detroit Tigers on July 22 for future considerations. During the remainder of the season with Detroit, McDonald hit .260 with a .308 on-base percentage in 31 games. Toronto Blue Jays (2006–2011) On November 10, 2005, the Tigers sent him back to the Toronto Blue Jays for cash considerations, in effect completing the earlier trade by trading John McDonald for himself. Only three other players have been traded for themselves in this manner (Harry Chiti, Dickie Noles, and Brad Gulden).[3] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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