bmags Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Well, looks like it's Drew Lock again vs. Florida. I hope he can beat Mauk's 58 yards passing from last year (but i'll take our defense/special teams scoring 4 touchdowns) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 10:24 AM) You can't if you're Notre Dame but you can't be rewarded for it either. One could argue ND is shooting itself in the foot by not being in a conference and getting a potential championship game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 One could argue ND is shooting itself in the foot by not being in a conference and getting a potential championship game. ND is capable of creating a 12 game schedule that is more than challenging enough to make up for the lack of a 13th game. Just happens that sometimes big teams that get scheduled (Texas) turn out to not be good. Also the ACC slate will rotate, so some years Florida State or Clemson will be on the schedule and other years neither will. There is a home and home with Georgia coming up in a few years, MSU is getting back on the schedule, and regular opponents USC and Stanford are usually both top 20 teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 6, 2015 -> 07:26 AM) ND is capable of creating a 12 game schedule that is more than challenging enough to make up for the lack of a 13th game. Just happens that sometimes big teams that get scheduled (Texas) turn out to not be good. Also the ACC slate will rotate, so some years Florida State or Clemson will be on the schedule and other years neither will. There is a home and home with Georgia coming up in a few years, MSU is getting back on the schedule, and regular opponents USC and Stanford are usually both top 20 teams. That is the problem though if MSU is down that is not as big a game as years when they are up (i.e. this year). Without the potential for a championship game comes the potential for a crappy schedule. Texas a was great idea at the time but now, not so much. Not ND's fault but it is the problem with being independent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 That is the problem though if MSU is down that is not as big a game as years when they are up (i.e. this year). Without the potential for a championship game comes the potential for a crappy schedule. Texas a was great idea at the time but now, not so much. Not ND's fault but it is the problem with being independent. ND tries to load up the schedule so that one or two teams being down doesn't ruin it. Even with this year's schedule having Texas and Georgia Tech being much worse than expected, it still has Clemson, USC and Stanford. Plus ND is willing to play top teams outside their region on the road regularly. Also, the thing about ND's schedule that most people overlook is that they never play FCS teams and rarely play teams from the very bottom of FCS, so even when the marquee name opponents have down years, the overall schedule strength is rarely worse than 30th. Even Navy, who always used to be the "easy" game has developed a really good program recently. Schedule is never going to be the reason ND doesn't make the playoff. Either they're one of the four best teams or they aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 6, 2015 -> 09:13 AM) Schedule is never going to be the reason ND doesn't make the playoff. Either they're one of the four best teams or they aren't. Tell that to Baylor or TCU. No championship game puts you at a major disadvantage. Maybe if Notre Dame were like Alabama, the independent thing would make sense, but they're not. They're now just a "good" program like a Texas A&M or maybe Florida. Although, now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure Notre Dame and Arkansas would spar for last place in the SEC West. Edited October 6, 2015 by AustinIllini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Tell that to Baylor or TCU. No championship game puts you at a major disadvantage. Playing absolute s*** for a non-conference schedule is what cost Baylor and TCU, not the lack of a 12th game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 6, 2015 -> 10:48 AM) Playing absolute s*** for a non-conference schedule is what cost Baylor and TCU, not the lack of a 12th game. A championship is a guaranteed quality game. If Baylor and TCU had played, the winner would likely have jumped OSU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 A championship is a guaranteed quality game. If Baylor and TCU had played, the winner would likely have jumped OSU. If TCU had played an FBS team, even a mediocre one, instead of Samford they would have jumped OSU without the 13th game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 6, 2015 -> 10:54 AM) If TCU had played an FBS team, even a mediocre one, instead of Samford they would have jumped OSU without the 13th game. While that may be true, a team like Notre Dame gets as much credit for beating Texas as TCU should get for beating Samford. Neither of those would replace a conference championship game where ND could theoretically rematch with Clemson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 While that may be true, a team like Notre Dame gets as much credit for beating Texas as TCU should get for beating Samford. Neither of those would replace a conference championship game where ND could theoretically rematch with Clemson. Nobody's saying ND should get a lot of credit for beating Texas, though as bad as Texas is they're still way better than Samford. If ND finishes the season with only 1 loss (which I doubt happens anyway), the fact that Texas sucks will hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 6, 2015 -> 11:00 AM) Nobody's saying ND should get a lot of credit for beating Texas, though as bad as Texas is they're still way better than Samford. If ND finishes the season with only 1 loss (which I doubt happens anyway), the fact that Texas sucks will hurt. The point is not the ND schedule it is the fact that they miss out on a potential season changing game by not playing in a conference. They may get overlooked if they have one loss to other teams with one loss that win a championship game in their final week. ND is not the late 70's DePaul teams in regard to schedule. It is a big disadvantage in my mind though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 The point is not the ND schedule it is the fact that they miss out on a potential season changing game by not playing in a conference. They may get overlooked if they have one loss to other teams with one loss that win a championship game in their final week. ND is not the late 70's DePaul teams in regard to schedule. It is a big disadvantage in my mind though. From the PAC-12 ND plays USC and Stanford from the every year. From the ACC ND plays 5 teams every year, which in most years is going to include at least one of the top 3 teams in the conference. From the Big Ten ND plays MSU and Purdue semi-regularly and OSU and NW occasionally The schedule also usually includes at least one other power 5 school like Texas, Washington, Arizona State, Georgia, Oklahoma One or more of those teams may be in down years, but there is always at least one season-changing game. Clearly this didn't happen, but hypothetically if ND had run the table after losing (controversially) to FSU, is there any doubt that ND would have gotten that 4th spot over OSU, TCU and Baylor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 If ND does get rid of Kelly because he isn't good enough, they should only do it if they have the next coach in mind and a good shot at them. Nubs firing Pellini was fine, but not having anyone better and getting Mike Riley is what makes change for the sake of change usually end up blowing up in your face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 As an ND fan, I've been wanting them to join a conference for a long time, I hate the independent status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 6, 2015 -> 10:54 AM) If TCU had played an FBS team, even a mediocre one, instead of Samford they would have jumped OSU without the 13th game. Outside of their 9 game Big 12 schedule, they played a good Minnesota team in OOC. The had one of the tougher schedules in the nation. Baylor on the other hand never schedules teams with a pulse in OOC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 QUOTE (Palehosefan @ Oct 7, 2015 -> 10:46 AM) Outside of their 9 game Big 12 schedule, they played a good Minnesota team in OOC. The had one of the tougher schedules in the nation. Baylor on the other hand never schedules teams with a pulse in OOC. Where did you get that info? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 6, 2015 -> 07:38 PM) If ND does get rid of Kelly because he isn't good enough, they should only do it if they have the next coach in mind and a good shot at them. Nubs firing Pellini was fine, but not having anyone better and getting Mike Riley is what makes change for the sake of change usually end up blowing up in your face. Yep, if your coach sucks and you fire him and the next guy isn't better that is one thing (i.e. Illinois football for the last 20 years) but when you fire a guy who is a solid but not spectacular coach you better know what you are doing for his replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Yep, if your coach sucks and you fire him and the next guy isn't better that is one thing (i.e. Illinois football for the last 20 years) but when you fire a guy who is a solid but not spectacular coach you better know what you are doing for his replacement. Brian Kelly isn't going to get fired. He's in that infuriating zone where he's performing well enough to keep his job but not well enough to excel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 8, 2015 -> 07:44 PM) Brian Kelly isn't going to get fired. He's in that infuriating zone where he's performing well enough to keep his job but not well enough to excel. I think he tries to go to the NFL after this year. He'd be a good NFL coach, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Cody Kessler is making me sad. Also hearing 67% of his 1200+ yards is yards after the catch makes me pretty sad too. Asked why he wasnt getting 1st round consideration and now I'm seeing why.... Moving on to Paxton Lynch as my mid round QB of choice. Hoping the Memphis vs Ole Miss game is on TV next weekend to get a look at him vs a solid team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 QUOTE (scs787 @ Oct 8, 2015 -> 08:24 PM) Cody Kessler is making me sad. Also hearing 67% of his 1200+ yards is yards after the catch makes me pretty sad too. Asked why he wasnt getting 1st round consideration and now I'm seeing why.... Moving on to Paxton Lynch as my mid round QB of choice. Hoping the Memphis vs Ole Miss game is on TV next weekend to get a look at him vs a solid team. Yeah, Kessler is pretty overhyped. Rosen is the best LA QB, but he's only a freshman and apparently a huge ass according to my source at In and Out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 8, 2015 -> 12:44 PM) Brian Kelly isn't going to get fired. He's in that infuriating zone where he's performing well enough to keep his job but not well enough to excel. As an ND hater, I wouldn't fire him. I'd maybe make him give up some power, but there is no one out there better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 Sark gonna Sark... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Tom Herman is the next head coach at Texas. Bank on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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