RockRaines Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 08:43 AM) Not even close to a top 10 job. It's a terrible job. Bad facilities. No money. Alongside Texas, the craziest fans in the sport who will eat you alive...except unlike Texas they don't spend money on the program or even go to the games. It's under a NCAA microscope. What once made it a strong program is now gone. You'll still get some nice recruits but Florida is recruited 100x higher now by everyone then it was in Miami's heyday. They do have a strong alumni network. So if they are able to hire inside that they can get a decent coach. But we'll see. NFL pipeline, surrounded by talent, even with a brain dead coach still recruit better than successful programs. Miami still pulls in plenty of local talent as a lot of those kids stay home. If they hire a halfway decent coach its automatic top ten classes with little effort. Its still a top program, even when its down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 08:41 AM) They have terrible facilities but if you can recruit from that area, it's a very good job still. I think Mario Cristobol gets that gig and does a great job. Rock, where do you think Les Miles ends up? That situation fascinates me. Its definitely an arms race for facilities, but they only get you so far. Nebraska has top tier facilities for almost every sport and you would never list that above Miami as a job. I dont think Les Miles goes anywhere to be honest, but I really dont pay attention to that situation. I know Texas is going to take a "run" at Saban, but its Tom Herman's spot IMO. Saban's dirty laundry would be on full view if he left the good ol boys network in AL. I know Chris Ash will be interviewing for a head coaching job soon so I wouldnt be surprised to see him pop up somewhere middle tier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 It's assumed LSU would go after Jimbo if Miles is fired. Be interesting if FSU would consider Miles then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 08:53 AM) It's assumed LSU would go after Jimbo if Miles is fired. Be interesting if FSU would consider Miles then. Kinda seems like a laterally or even downward move for Jimbo though, why make life harder on yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Rebuilding a former powerhouse is more enticing than building a never was powerhouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 09:17 AM) Rebuilding a former powerhouse is more enticing than building a never was powerhouse. To be fair, they were pretty dominant in the 20's, otherwise known the decade after Michigan's heyday Edited November 20, 2015 by RockRaines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatnom Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 08:07 AM) Miami is in a relatively weak conference. You could go to Miami and conceivably win a conference championship within 5-10 years. That isn't happening at Illinois. This isn't saying anything about Illinois relative to Miami, but you really underestimate how bad the B1G west is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 09:27 AM) To be fair, they were pretty dominant in the 20's, otherwise known the decade after Michigan's heyday Please win tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (gatnom @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 09:34 AM) This isn't saying anything about Illinois relative to Miami, but you really underestimate how bad the B1G west is. And Illinois is not the bell cow program in a horrific division. I dont see how that makes it more appealing. Edited November 20, 2015 by RockRaines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 09:35 AM) Please win tomorrow. Please lose tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatnom Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 09:36 AM) And Illinois is not the bell cow program in a horrific division. I dont see how that makes it more appealing. QUOTE (gatnom @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 09:34 AM) This isn't saying anything about Illinois relative to Miami, but you really underestimate how bad the B1G west is. It's not more appealing than Miami, IMO. I do think a decent coach can come in and win a lot of games in the B1G west right now, though. Whether or not Illinois could even find and attract one is another story... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 09:36 AM) Please lose tomorrow. They may. Never seen such a good home team be so inconsistent on the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 09:29 AM) Miami is a national name and a recent power, they are also in south florida aka the most fertile recruiting grounds in the country. Illinois is a middle of the road Big Ten team with almost no chance to win a national title. "Middle of the road" is being kind. They're easily in the bottom 5. Ohio State Michigan State Michigan Iowa Penn State Nebraska Wisconsin Northwestern Indiana Illinois Maryland Purdue Minnesota Rutgers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 QUOTE (gatnom @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 09:44 AM) It's not more appealing than Miami, IMO. I do think a decent coach can come in and win a lot of games in the B1G west right now, though. Whether or not Illinois could even find and attract one is another story... Tom Herman was a big miss IMO, they should have thrown coin at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 QUOTE (knightni @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 09:53 AM) "Middle of the road" is being kind. They're easily in the bottom 5. Ohio State Michigan State Michigan Iowa Penn State Nebraska Wisconsin Northwestern Indiana Illinois Maryland Purdue Minnesota Rutgers Minny has had some success though, I would move them up and move down IU and Maryland if we are talking about program strength. NW is up right now but I still have them below ILL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 08:51 AM) I know Texas is going to take a "run" at Saban, but its Tom Herman's spot IMO. Saban's dirty laundry would be on full view if he left the good ol boys network in AL. Yeah, UT doesn't have that atmosphere at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 QUOTE (gatnom @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 09:34 AM) This isn't saying anything about Illinois relative to Miami, but you really underestimate how bad the B1G west is. Terrible, still 3 top 25 teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 "Middle of the road" is being kind. They're easily in the bottom 5. Ohio State Michigan State Michigan Iowa Penn State Nebraska Wisconsin Northwestern Indiana Illinois Maryland Purdue Minnesota Rutgers Top: OSU, UM, MSU, Wis Middle: PSU, Neb, Iowa, Minn, NW Bottom: UI, Rut, IU, Md, Pur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 10:07 AM) Yeah, UT doesn't have that atmosphere at all. Well, UT hasnt been paying his bills for years. I meant if Saban leaves the Bama guys will leak all sorts of s*** that he doesnt want out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 08:34 AM) Lots of people disagree. On espn they were saying it's a worse opening than the Central Florida opening. Those people are idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatnom Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 10:07 AM) Terrible, still 3 top 25 teams Are any of them top 3 in the B1G? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 10:07 AM) Top: OSU, UM, MSU, Wis Middle: PSU, Neb, Iowa, Minn, NW Bottom: UI, Rut, IU, Md, Pur Man it appears Im overvaluing UI compared to some Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Northwestern and Minnesota have hit their ceilings, but I think Illinois is the more attractive job then those given they do have a higher ceiling comparatively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 10:40 AM) Northwestern and Minnesota have hit their ceilings, but I think Illinois is the more attractive job then those given they do have a higher ceiling comparatively. Surprisingly enough, Minny's run of national dominance came in the decade after Illinois' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 09:00 AM) Kinda seems like a laterally or even downward move for Jimbo though, why make life harder on yourself. I agree with this actually. I don't think LSU is that much of a better job than FSU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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