caulfield12 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Feb 20, 2015 -> 12:07 PM) Long term, I see Montas being the bullpen piece and Danish being the starter. If both, even end up being productive major league pieces, that's a huge win for the Sox. I just think that's what both of them are best suited for IMO. Except unless he's as good as Wade Davis in the 8th or Herrera in the 7th, he's not going to be the closer with Robertson under contract for at least three seasons. They'd be much better off with him making it as a starter, since back-end rotation depth is one of their 3 most critical issues to address, along with C and the middle infield positions going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlSoxfan Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 I think it'll all come down to how well he pitches this yr. Maybe by yrs. end we won't want him back but I think he'll have a pretty good yr. He seems to be becoming a fan favorite already so that might count for something an if he has fun an does well we might get a discount. I still figure he'll get between 100/120 for 5 yrs. That seems kinda steep for us but who knows. I'll be rooting for him, I think he fits on this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammy esposito Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 QUOTE (AlSoxfan @ Feb 20, 2015 -> 06:11 PM) I think it'll all come down to how well he pitches this yr. Maybe by yrs. end we won't want him back but I think he'll have a pretty good yr. He seems to be becoming a fan favorite already so that might count for something an if he has fun an does well we might get a discount. I still figure he'll get between 100/120 for 5 yrs. That seems kinda steep for us but who knows. I'll be rooting for him, I think he fits on this team. Even if we are in contention at the trade deadline, Shark could be traded for some quality prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlSoxfan Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 QUOTE (sammy esposito @ Feb 20, 2015 -> 09:24 PM) Even if we are in contention at the trade deadline, Shark could be traded for some quality prospects. If we're contending at the trade deadline I think it would be foolish to trade him for prospects unless they're some pretty top notch prospects. I thought part of the whole idea of trading for him is so we could contend and possibly win it all, while at the same time get a try-out of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammy esposito Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 QUOTE (AlSoxfan @ Feb 20, 2015 -> 09:26 PM) If we're contending at the trade deadline I think it would be foolish to trade him for prospects unless they're some pretty top notch prospects. I thought part of the whole idea of trading for him is so we could contend and possibly win it all, while at the same time get a try-out of him. Juy just saying we have good prospects that may be ready to compete as well as Shark . If we can't possibly sign him for next year we trade him if the reward is big enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 20, 2015 -> 08:16 AM) I know they have offered him less, but I believe this is the target his people are aiming at. IF that's the case he better enjoy his last year in Chicago because that's ridiculous for a pitcher who will be 31 years old has had one actually "good" year as a starter. Shark's combined WAR over his 3 years of starting is less than either one of Sale's last two years. Shields was two years old than Shark will be & got 4 years at a touch under $19M per year. Looking at how they stack up, Shark is about a 5 year/ $20 per year pitcher. A 5th year is the added bonus for less innings and 2 years younger. That's it. Edited February 21, 2015 by SoCalSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 QUOTE (sammy esposito @ Feb 20, 2015 -> 09:24 PM) Even if we are in contention at the trade deadline, Shark could be traded for some quality prospects. Geez, I hope it doesn't come down to that -- trading Shark for prospects next June. If that happens, I'm certain the prospects offered will not be as good as Bassitt, Ravelo, and Semien. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 If the Sox are in contention at the deadline and Shark is flipped for prospects, then something crazy is going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 21, 2015 -> 09:29 AM) If the Sox are in contention at the deadline and Shark is flipped for prospects, then something crazy is going on. I can see one scenario. Rodon expldes in the minors and is put into the rotation and the Sox are in contention but have one major hole. Say Alexei or Flowers ( positions the Sox may not have a reliable back-up for) goes out for the season and they can get a ML ready prospect for Shark. If the Sox think Shark is going anyway, they could deal if they got a top prospect back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (SCCWS @ Feb 21, 2015 -> 08:44 AM) I can see one scenario. Rodon expldes in the minors and is put into the rotation and the Sox are in contention but have one major hole. Say Alexei or Flowers ( positions the Sox may not have a reliable back-up for) goes out for the season and they can get a ML ready prospect for Shark. If the Sox think Shark is going anyway, they could deal if they got a top prospect back. But how likely would they be to put a prospect into the middle of a division/pennant race in that scenario? I can only think of the opposite examples, like Hudson/Holmberg for Ed.Jackson. It's easy to imagine them hesitating on promoting Tim Anderson when he's slated to be in BIRM this whole season, but I think any Samardzija deal would have to give the Sox players back similar to a Semien/Bassitt with limited experience or some veterans on expiring contracts. Of course, there's the issue of the compensation for that draft pick which comes from holding onto him to consider, versus the return at mid-season. Edited February 21, 2015 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 QUOTE (sammy esposito @ Feb 20, 2015 -> 06:24 PM) Even if we are in contention at the trade deadline, Shark could be traded for some quality prospects. That's not all that strange of an idea though at first it seems like it because of "white flag" . Let's say the Sox coddle/limit Rodon's innings early on then in mid/late June put him in the rotation and he does well. Then your big 3 for the playoffs ( if they are made without Shark and with Rodon ) is still strong. Maybe they get another pitching prospect or even some young help to the ML team for the playoff push and beyond. Don't think it could be just prospects because it would be considered another white flag and if attendance is up this year the fans will feel betrayed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Let's not freak out about his "target" number. Do you walk into these negotiations with a super reasonable number? Probably not. You want the Sox to think that a $110M/5 year deal feels like a huge sacrifice to you. With that said, I'm not very confident in throwing anywhere in the stratosphere of that kind of money at him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/03/no-e...samardzija.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) As much as I don't want to overpay for Samardzija, having a front four of Sale, Q, Shark and Rodon for the next four to five years makes the Sox legit contenders every year. Add one of Danish, Adams or Montas at some point and you have the makings of potentially the best rotation in baseball. Edited March 6, 2015 by lasttriptotulsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Mar 6, 2015 -> 02:07 PM) http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/03/no-e...samardzija.html FWIW, this doesn't mean they haven't been talking to the agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 6, 2015 -> 09:23 PM) FWIW, this doesn't mean they haven't been talking to the agent. wasn't there someone who said they knew of someone who knew someone who heard someone say that Jeff was signing with the sox some months ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 even on talk about his contract, Jeff S is still saying "we" when talking about the sox and the plans of playing better and getting talent for the playoff. (a little of embellishment here) here is the link nice story. i am starting to really like him as a player. http://www.prosportsdaily.com/articles/sam...-it-344820.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 6, 2015 -> 03:23 PM) FWIW, this doesn't mean they haven't been talking to the agent. On great terms with front office. Talking about future of team. But no extension talks. Lol ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 7, 2015 -> 08:28 AM) On great terms with front office. Talking about future of team. But no extension talks. Lol ok. Really lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 I don't know why there is so much debate about this. He's a rental player. He has made no bones about exercising his union rights in regards to free agency. And Hahn knows this. Worst case scenario is the sox get draft pick compensation for him. There is no reason to get worked up over this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 I'll take Rock's side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Would rather throw $30-$40 million at Alvares...lets just put it this way, you always bet on three of those young possible studs in their twenties compared to a guy already in his thirties getting $100 million plus. That said, the presence of Montas and another top ten pick in a draft loaded with collegiate pitchers mitigates the pressing need, at least somewhat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 8, 2015 -> 04:58 PM) Would rather throw $30-$40 million at Alvares...lets just put it this way, you always bet on three of those young possible studs in their twenties compared to a guy already in his thirties getting $100 million plus. That said, the presence of Montas and another top ten pick in a draft loaded with collegiate pitchers mitigates the pressing need, at least somewhat. i am in a big debate over this, with myself. is he worth the salary that he may want, well no-one really knows, b/c he has said he will test the waters of FA's. that is what the union has given him, per his own statement. now if the sox FO wants to throw a huge amount, something like 30 mil per, i am sure he would sign. if the sox had obtain other missing pieces to win it, per fan's opinions, then may 1 yr extra of Jeff S for a 30 mil rental. this will continue to help the growth of the system, the bridge to the other prized pitchers developing and it may even get a possible 2 ws ring if not, let him walk and get another draft pick. regardless, this was how the FO was thinking when they traded for him in the first place. this shouldn't come to any surprise to the sox FO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 It's crazy talk is what it is. The Sox haven't even evaluated him for a year yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Mar 8, 2015 -> 10:29 AM) I don't know why there is so much debate about this. He's a rental player. He has made no bones about exercising his union rights in regards to free agency. And Hahn knows this. Worst case scenario is the sox get draft pick compensation for him. There is no reason to get worked up over this. Yup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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