Steve9347 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 25, 2015 -> 03:59 PM) LOL you skip over the parts where you were proven wrong to say this? http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/...removed-college http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-don...59325--nba.html http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...his-nba-career/ http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2013...ra-lebron-james I got 10+ more links do you want me to keep going? Well f*** him then. I'm sure Miami ownership and fans are fine with it. :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Feb 25, 2015 -> 03:55 PM) Is Lawson available? edit: ha, google'd him and got this: http://www.blogabull.com/2015/2/25/8107663...oiler-ty-lawson Will never happen. Anything that involves trading Derrick Rose, without the Bulls getting back some disaster of contract, is a pipe dream. Do you want someone like a Joe Johnson? Those are the type of players you might be able to get for a Derrick Rose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 25, 2015 -> 04:05 PM) Anything that involves trading Derrick Rose, without the Bulls getting back some disaster of contract, is a pipe dream. Do you want someone like a Joe Johnson? Those are the type of players you might be able to get for a Derrick Rose. As long as James Dolan exists... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 QUOTE (MurcieOne @ Feb 25, 2015 -> 12:27 PM) Agree, this injury isn't significant enough to end Derrick's career. However, I don't think we're going to see Derrick play at the levels we're hoping could/would. I think this will be the final nail in Thibs tenure as HC. I don't think Derrick will be on the roster after his contract expires. I think the Bulls will be mired in mediocrity for the foreseeable future. I think lots of things. My opinion is that the biggest battle for Derrick now is getting good at basketball. In the NBA, especially as a guard, you can only do so much with athleticism (and it's making a bold assumption to say he'll continue to stand out in that regard). It takes sustained work at your craft to be good in every aspect of the game, from your ballhandling to your shooting and most importantly your brain. The constant and very long lulls in his ability to play are going to make it extremely difficult for him to come back and be great just for the sole fact of it keeping him from playing basketball. He may well lose all the progress he gained in terms of getting his skills and awareness of the games back by losing ~6 weeks. And if we assume he's just going to continue having health troubles, this will continue cropping up. Start finding a rhythm, then lose it because of some pain, then totally lose it because you have to sit out for a month or more. QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Feb 25, 2015 -> 12:31 PM) I agree with most everything you said, however, I've long pointed to 2016 as the year Rose regains his all star status (and that is still in reach if he can come back and play this season, imo). I think the worst thing for him would be not getting back this season and having a long off-season. If he comes back and plays this season, he can have a normal off-season, played in at least a decent chunk of this season, playoffs, etc, and be in a position to move forward in 16. The piece I don't understand is how is Rose's injury a nail in Thibbs tenure? What did Tom do to drive or lead to this injury. The Bulls and Rose couldn't have been more conservative with Rose (since his initial injury) and this is what has happened. How can a finger for any of these more recent injuries be put in Thibbs direction? Rose isn't playing heavy minutes. In fact, he's largely been babied since his first injury. I'd argue he might have been better off had they pushed things more (look at Westbrook). All this said, lets not forget that the reinjury of the meniscus is relatively common and not overly serious (look at Westbrook). If you want hope, you at least have Westbrook to look at. He's better than ever. I think Thibs is facing what several other fairly successful coaches have. For instance, George Karl. Well, it's not really your fault by any objective measure that we haven't succeeded, but we have to change something eventually. Also, we won't be firing ourselves. So, coach, you've gotta go. QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Feb 25, 2015 -> 01:11 PM) That's what grinds my gears. It was the right surgery then. He was so young and it was seemingly unrelated to his one other major injury. There was much to be gained from him doing the repair, though I have to say it shouldn't have been out of the question for him to return by the end of the year. Not that big of a deal though. Now, things are different. He needs to play just to keep sharp and it is unlikely that a meniscus repair will actually do all that much good for his long-term future. There's no good option for his long-term future, he (we) just has to hope everything holds together. QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 25, 2015 -> 04:01 PM) The teams inherited couldn't be more different, come on now Look at this pile of garbage http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXteamsXXCHIXX1999....mp;t=all_roster Floyd was also given some say in personnel that no coach would be given now. We have a ton of talent and it is thanks in large part to our front office. With that said, I honestly don't have a clue if there's anything special about Fred Hoiberg. The ghost of Tim Floyd wouldn't scare me away though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I kind of agree with Steve, despite Wade's regret. Wade did what he did without the benefit of Rose's hindsight. Wade was just thinking "I need to get back on the court". Rose should be thinking "I need to get back on the court now, because this could be over next season." Every time this happens, Rose has to look at his career as something that is not lasting nearly as long as he thought and he needs every minute on the court that his body will allow. He tried taking it slow, he tried taking care of himself better, his body keeps betraying him. I think he is gonna have knee arthritis whether he shaves the meniscus or repairs it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 25, 2015 -> 03:30 PM) No it isn't, Hoiberg isn't a moron, it is still basketball. There may be a downgrade, but I don't think it is nearly as big as you are making it out to be. IMHO basketball is the sport where players win championships, especially NBA. Not to mention, how can someone compare Hoiberg to Brad Penny. Hoiberg never even coached in the NBA. If you want to make random comparisons, why not Steve Kerr. Hoiberg and Kerr are both white guys who played for the Bulls, so they gotta be the same right? And even then, is Kerr a "good coach" or does he just have a good team. Outside of Popovich, I really just dont see most NBA coaches as being game changers. Edited February 25, 2015 by Soxbadger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoedairy Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I still think the Bulls can win the east. I know everyone hates hinrich but he can run the offense and there are enough offensive weapons around him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 John Paxson is posting here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Pretty clear that Kerr is a good coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Feb 25, 2015 -> 04:21 PM) IMHO basketball is the sport where players win championships, especially NBA. Not to mention, how can someone compare Hoiberg to Brad Penny. Hoiberg never even coached in the NBA. If you want to make random comparisons, why not Steve Kerr. Hoiberg and Kerr are both white guys who played for the Bulls, so they gotta be the same right? And even then, is Kerr a "good coach" or does he just have a good team. Outside of Popovich, I really just dont see most NBA coaches as being game changers. Kerr played under Phil Jackson and Pop, two of the best coaches in the history of the game, he was a broadcaster for 5-6 years, he was a GM for a number of years...I mean, he's been in and around the NBA for the last 25+ years. Hoiberg can't say the same thing. The knowledge base is completely different. Edited February 25, 2015 by Jenksismybitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 25, 2015 -> 04:20 PM) Steve misquoted an article and said that Rose had chosen a surgery already which he hasn't. His reasoning? Of course the horrible quote Rose used. He brought up Wade and it's not really a fair comparison. If brought out the Wade argument the last time Rose tore his menisicus, and I am sure many did, then it would have made sense. The fact of the matter is that it's very likely that Rose isn't afforded those options this time around. He probably has to get the meniscus removed either way. So pontificating on what Rose should do, and using Wade as an example isn't fair at all when Rose is likely without those same options. Oh? Perhaps the article was very poorly written? It was a copy/paste so it certainly wasn't misquoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Feb 25, 2015 -> 04:37 PM) Kerr played under Phil Jackson and Pop, two of the best coaches in the history of the game, he was broadcaster for 5-6 years, he was a GM for a number of years...I mean, he's been in and around the NBA for the last 25+ years. Hoiberg can't say the same thing. The knowledge base is completely different. I think you missed the point entirely. I wasnt saying Hoiberg was Steve Kerr, I was saying comparing Hoiberg to Penny is the equivalent of comparing Hoiberg to Kerr. Both make 0 sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Feb 25, 2015 -> 04:42 PM) I think you missed the point entirely. I wasnt saying Hoiberg was Steve Kerr, I was saying comparing Hoiberg to Penny is the equivalent of comparing Hoiberg to Kerr. Both make 0 sense. Ah, my bad. I skimmed your post and saw the comparison... Carry on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 haha np. I thought the "White guys" comment gave away the sarcasm. I mean if white Bulls players from the 90s is all it takes to be good, someone should be calling Longley/Wennington. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Hoiberg does coach currently at a high level, and people were talking about him coaching while he still played. i have no doubt he'd be a good pro coach. The Iowa state thing, who cares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Marcus Fizer went to ISU so we should probably never draft a player from there again either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 DIRECT ALL HOIBERG RELATED QUESTIONS TO ME Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Feb 25, 2015 -> 05:13 PM) Marcus Fizer went to ISU so we should probably never draft a player from there again either. TRIPLE THUMBS UP Although the 2000 draft is seriously one of the worst of all time. Only 3 players ever made the AS game from that draft, how is that even possible. The wiki says that is the first draft to ever leave the NBA worse due to WAR of the players selected. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 25, 2015 -> 04:42 PM) You're right here. You didn't misquote the article you took a quote out of context after reading it again. Alright, hardass, you're clearly dense. Here's all the content surrounding that quote from the article. None of it mentions they're referring to the procedure from 2013. --- CHICAGO -- Bulls guard Derrick Rose has a torn meniscus in his right knee and will undergo surgery, the team said Tuesday. Rose reported earlier in the day with right knee pain. An exam and subsequent MRI confirmed the tear. A timetable for Rose's return will be determined once he has surgery, the team said. The Bulls and Rose decided to fix the meniscus tear instead of cutting the damaged part out in order to elongate Rose's career. The 26-year-old was averaging 18.4 points and 5.0 assists in 46 games this season. The general feeling within the organization from several team personnel Tuesday night was one of disbelief and sadness after all the rehab work Rose put in over the past two and a half seasons. The torn meniscus is the same injury he sustained Nov. 22, 2013, against the Portland Trail Blazers. --- You can continue to pointlessly blame me for reading an article, or you can just f***ing admit that the article, as written, says the Bulls and Rose decided to fix the meniscus tear instead of cutting the damaged part out. There's absolutely no context that says something like "in 2013..." So get off your high horse. Edited February 25, 2015 by Steve9347 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Feb 25, 2015 -> 05:18 PM) DIRECT ALL HOIBERG RELATED QUESTIONS TO ME Is he the best or 2nd best coach of all time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Feb 25, 2015 -> 05:32 PM) Is he the best or 2nd best coach of all time? Best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Feb 25, 2015 -> 05:33 PM) Best Ketchup or Mustard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Feb 25, 2015 -> 05:33 PM) Best Is he a tender or rough lover? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Feb 25, 2015 -> 05:36 PM) Is he a tender or rough lover? Very considerate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Feb 25, 2015 -> 04:21 PM) IMHO basketball is the sport where players win championships, especially NBA. Not to mention, how can someone compare Hoiberg to Brad Penny. Hoiberg never even coached in the NBA. If you want to make random comparisons, why not Steve Kerr. Hoiberg and Kerr are both white guys who played for the Bulls, so they gotta be the same right? And even then, is Kerr a "good coach" or does he just have a good team. Outside of Popovich, I really just dont see most NBA coaches as being game changers. First off no one compared Hoiberg to Penny. I just said the chances The Bulls would be better with Hoiberg vs Thins were the same as Penny being any good. Secondly, if coaches don't really matter, why force out a guy who hasn't coached a team at full strength for 3 years, yet has a career .653 winning percentage. Edited February 25, 2015 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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