Article on Brian Anderson

[LDF]

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Perhaps that's incorrect though. This may be a strong take instead.

 

And if it's not apparent, I think greg's post is so obviously over the top absurd, ridiculous, and wrong that I decided to not even bother with an actual response as it appears to me to be more trolling for responses than it does an actual opinion.

 

Here is my actual response: if you feel that it's so damn easy greg, quit your current job and go do it, because teams would gladly pay you millions of dollars a year if you can isolate and identify the top players in the country who will then develop into the top players in the MLB/NFL/NBA/NHL.

 

either way, that is 1 great pict. photoshop at its best.

 

with the ref to the other, wow, i wish i was smarter. don't get me wrong, i like the response.

[Balta1701]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hot%20take

 

Perhaps that's incorrect though. This may be a strong take instead.

 

And if it's not apparent, I think greg's post is so obviously over the top absurd, ridiculous, and wrong that I decided to not even bother with an actual response as it appears to me to be more trolling for responses than it does an actual opinion.

 

Here is my actual response: if you feel that it's so damn easy greg, quit your current job and go do it, because teams would gladly pay you millions of dollars a year if you can isolate and identify the top players in the country who will then develop into the top players in the MLB/NFL/NBA/NHL.

I'm much less confident in this set of statements than I am in saying we'd have won the 06 Central had Mackowiak never played CF, but I thought Anderson could have had a much better shot had the team developed him better. Between not getting him at bats to struggle through in 2006 and being inconsistent with his playing time afterwards, they never gave him a real solid chance to turn into a big league hitter.

 

There was at least one spring training, I think it was 08? where he looked very different at the plate. More compact approach, more compact swing, then he sat for >2 weeks at the start of the year and by the time he was back in the box he looked like he did the previous years, standing back up with a much longer, slower swing. Never good get into a groove when they would occasionally get into an approach taht worked.

 

yeah, even if that was done better he might well still have busted. Some guys do party their way out of the league, some guys are too stubborn to learn and think they can get by on athleticism alone because that's what they've always done. Still would have had fewer complaints if I thought they did a better job working him.

[witesoxfan]

I'm much less confident in this set of statements than I am in saying we'd have won the 06 Central had Mackowiak never played CF, but I thought Anderson could have had a much better shot had the team developed him better. Between not getting him at bats to struggle through in 2006 and being inconsistent with his playing time afterwards, they never gave him a real solid chance to turn into a big league hitter.

 

There was at least one spring training, I think it was 08? where he looked very different at the plate. More compact approach, more compact swing, then he sat for >2 weeks at the start of the year and by the time he was back in the box he looked like he did the previous years, standing back up with a much longer, slower swing. Never good get into a groove when they would occasionally get into an approach taht worked.

 

yeah, even if that was done better he might well still have busted. Some guys do party their way out of the league, some guys are too stubborn to learn and think they can get by on athleticism alone because that's what they've always done. Still would have had fewer complaints if I thought they did a better job working him.

 

I don't know that I'm completely on board with your belief that Mackowiak in CF in 2006 cost the Sox the division, but I'm completely on board with Anderson being ruined to some extent by Ozzie. I certainly don't think Anderson did himself any favors during that time, but he's a young player and you need to give them a chance and let them fail a few times so that they can learn from those mistakes. Ozzie never did that, lost his faith in Anderson, and then the Erstad experiment began in 2007.

 

I'm one of the few, but I think there's a legitimate chance we see Anderson at some point during the season.

[LDF]

I'm much less confident in this set of statements than I am in saying we'd have won the 06 Central had Mackowiak never played CF, but I thought Anderson could have had a much better shot had the team developed him better. Between not getting him at bats to struggle through in 2006 and being inconsistent with his playing time afterwards, they never gave him a real solid chance to turn into a big league hitter.

 

There was at least one spring training, I think it was 08? where he looked very different at the plate. More compact approach, more compact swing, then he sat for >2 weeks at the start of the year and by the time he was back in the box he looked like he did the previous years, standing back up with a much longer, slower swing. Never good get into a groove when they would occasionally get into an approach taht worked.

 

yeah, even if that was done better he might well still have busted. Some guys do party their way out of the league, some guys are too stubborn to learn and think they can get by on athleticism alone because that's what they've always done. Still would have had fewer complaints if I thought they did a better job working him.

 

a nice point, i know when i am out of my depth. .... either way. a nice point.

 

[Balta1701]

I don't know that I'm completely on board with your belief that Mackowiak in CF in 2006 cost the Sox the division, but I'm completely on board with Anderson being ruined to some extent by Ozzie. I certainly don't think Anderson did himself any favors during that time, but he's a young player and you need to give them a chance and let them fail a few times so that they can learn from those mistakes. Ozzie never did that, lost his faith in Anderson, and then the Erstad experiment began in 2007.

 

I'm one of the few, but I think there's a legitimate chance we see Anderson at some point during the season.

People don't have to agree with me, WAR doesn't agree with me, but I'll say this every single time and I'll go to my grave believing this. The White Sox win the 2006 AL Central if Mackowiak plays CF for like 5 games or fewer.

 

He was that bad out there. Every single game he was out there it cost us at least a run, maybe 2. Worse yet, you could see how it hit the pitchers - every game, somewhere in the middle innings, there was at least one ball where you'd say "Anderson would have had that". It would almost always lead to a multi run inning. Because that ball wasn't caught, the pitcher would give up an extra run or two and have to throw another 20, 25 high stress pitches because now they're in trouble and throwing from the stretch. Suddenly the starting pitchers are worse, they're going fewer innings, their ERAs are higher, the bullpen is more heavily taxed, and the rest of the team gets depressed and sloppy because plays weren't being made. Rob Mackowiak in CF was a virus. It went untreated and during the 2nd half of the season the whole team got sick.

 

I totally get...nothing has to agree with me. Advanced stats don't. But that was the season I watched, and I will never stop believing that.

[LDF]

People don't have to agree with me, WAR doesn't agree with me, but I'll say this every single time and I'll go to my grave believing this. The White Sox win the 2006 AL Central if Mackowiak plays CF for like 5 games or fewer.

 

He was that bad out there. Every single game he was out there it cost us at least a run, maybe 2. Worse yet, you could see how it hit the pitchers - every game, somewhere in the middle innings, there was at least one ball where you'd say "Anderson would have had that". It would almost always lead to a multi run inning. Because that ball wasn't caught, the pitcher would give up an extra run or two and have to throw another 20, 25 high stress pitches because now they're in trouble and throwing from the stretch. Suddenly the starting pitchers are worse, they're going fewer innings, their ERAs are higher, the bullpen is more heavily taxed, and the rest of the team gets depressed and sloppy because plays weren't being made. Rob Mackowiak in CF was a virus. It went untreated and during the 2nd half of the season the whole team got sick.

 

I totally get...nothing has to agree with me. Advanced stats don't. But that was the season I watched, and I will never stop believing that.

 

good one, at least you stand by comment.

[southsider2k5]

Keep in mind usually 6-10 players each first round never touch the majors. Another 10-15 have pretty limited impact, under 20 career WAR usually.

 

MLB is even more inexact than NBA scouting.

 

Everyone knows the Mike Trout story, Piazza, Pujols, Buehrle, etc.

 

 

Plus "system" programs can make college players (like Duke, UNC, KY or Kansas) look a lot better than they are in reality...most Kansas teams, their points have traditionally been scored in transition. In the NBA, it's a lot of isolation plays...and possessing the ability to break down a defense, equipped with multiple skills, rather than merely being a good outside shooter like a Trajan Langdon type.

 

I'd say out of the major sports, the NBA is one of the most exact. MLB and NHL are scary inaccurate.

[asindc]

I'd say out of the major sports, the NBA is one of the most exact. MLB and NHL are scary inaccurate.

 

What MLB and NHL have in common is a minor league system full of teenagers away from home for the first time. NBA scouting is worse because they started drafting many more younger players than before (Kwame Brown, anyone?). I think most scouts recognize raw talent. Fewer scouts recognize personal character and maturity. That's why so many baseball and hockey prospects wash out. After all, Brien Taylor's 95-mph fastball was overcome by his immaturity.

Edited February 27, 2015 by asindc

[caulfield12]

What MLB and NHL have in common is a minor league system full of teenagers away from home for the first time. NBA scouting is worse because they started drafting many more younger players than before (Kwame Brown, anyone?). I think most scouts recognize raw talent. Fewer scouts recognize personal character and maturity. That's why so many baseball and hockey prospects wash out. After all, Brien Taylor's 95-mph fastball was overcome by his immaturity.

 

 

And who assessed Brown's talent?

 

Probably the greatest player the world has ever known. It wasn't a SABES geek who got that one wrong, anymore than Ivy League MBAers were drafting Bowie over Jordan, either.

Edited February 27, 2015 by caulfield12

[asindc]

And who assessed Brown's talent?

 

Probably the greatest player the world has ever known. It wasn't a SABES geek who got that one wrong, anymore than Ivy League MBAers were drafting Bowie over Jordan, either.

 

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[NorthSideSox72]

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Welcome to SoxTalk.

 

[southsider2k5]

What MLB and NHL have in common is a minor league system full of teenagers away from home for the first time. NBA scouting is worse because they started drafting many more younger players than before (Kwame Brown, anyone?). I think most scouts recognize raw talent. Fewer scouts recognize personal character and maturity. That's why so many baseball and hockey prospects wash out. After all, Brien Taylor's 95-mph fastball was overcome by his immaturity.

 

It really is too bad the NBA won't use the D league as a true minor league. If you are going to draft a Tyrus Thomas type, loaded with potential, but short on actual skill, find a place where he can learn the game.

[ewokpelts]

I'd say out of the major sports, the NBA is one of the most exact. MLB and NHL are scary inaccurate.

The nbc's minor league gets front page news and is covered nightly on sports center. It's hard to not know who can do what. Same as for the NFL. Their minor league is religion to some.

 

MLB and NHL have systems that turning raw talent into polished players. That's whybits rate for teenagers to get drafted and start in the same year.

[southsider2k5]

The nbc's minor league gets front page news and is covered nightly on sports center. It's hard to not know who can do what. Same as for the NFL. Their minor league is religion to some.

 

MLB and NHL have systems that turning raw talent into polished players. That's whybits rate for teenagers to get drafted and start in the same year.

 

What minor league does the NFL have?

[asindc]

What minor league does the NFL have?

 

I believe he is referring to college football.

 

[Balta1701]

What minor league does the NFL have?

It got some of ESPN's highest ratings ever this year when Ohio State played Oregon.

[LittleHurt05]

The nbc's minor league gets front page news and is covered nightly on sports center. It's hard to not know who can do what. Same as for the NFL. Their minor league is religion to some.

 

MLB and NHL have systems that turning raw talent into polished players. That's whybits rate for teenagers to get drafted and start in the same year.

 

Yet so many NFL draft picks are busts too.

[southsider2k5]

I believe he is referring to college football.

 

You can't call college football or basketball "minor leagues" because the pro leagues have no control over them.

[Balta1701]

You can't call college football or basketball "minor leagues" because the pro leagues have no control over them.

Viewing it through the prism of "preparing athletes for pro ball", college football does a better job than college baseball or college basketball - a 13 game season is a heckuva lot closer to a 16 game season in the NFL than a 35 game season in college BBall is to a 100 game NBA season.

[greg775]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hot%20take

 

Perhaps that's incorrect though. This may be a strong take instead.

 

And if it's not apparent, I think greg's post is so obviously over the top absurd, ridiculous, and wrong that I decided to not even bother with an actual response as it appears to me to be more trolling for responses than it does an actual opinion.

 

Here is my actual response: if you feel that it's so damn easy greg, quit your current job and go do it, because teams would gladly pay you millions of dollars a year if you can isolate and identify the top players in the country who will then develop into the top players in the MLB/NFL/NBA/NHL.

I'm just saying it's hard to believe so many people thought Anderson had the ability to hit the ball on the big league level. He looked awful at the plate.

 

It really is too bad the NBA won't use the D league as a true minor league. If you are going to draft a Tyrus Thomas type, loaded with potential, but short on actual skill, find a place where he can learn the game.

Amen. Why even have the D League the way it is being used?

 

 

[LDF]

I'm just saying it's hard to believe so many people thought Anderson had the ability to hit the ball on the big league level. He looked awful at the plate.

 

and you saw this and came to this conclusion when he was a rookie???

 

[greg775]

and you saw this and came to this conclusion when he was a rookie???

I probably was excited when he got two hits in his first game, but I thought he had a poor approach at the plate shortly after that.

 

[oldsox]

Who had the movie rights?

[southsider2k5]

Who had the movie rights?

 

For Brian Anderson? I am sure it would be XXX

[caulfield12]

Who had the movie rights?

 

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Edited March 2, 2015 by caulfield12