Y2Jimmy0 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 08:59 AM) I agree with most of what you said except for Cardale Jones. He cannot read a defense. You watch him more than most of us. Won't someone still take him fairly high though thinking he has "stuff" you can't coach? Like raw tools. There are times when he looks like Daunte Culpepper. Other times, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I think Jones will just be too raw for a first round pick. maybe the first qb off board in 2nd/3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 09:15 AM) You watch him more than most of us. Won't someone still take him fairly high though thinking he has "stuff" you can't coach? Like raw tools. There are times when he looks like Daunte Culpepper. Other times, not so much. He has a rocket arm and a huge build, but he has a very hard time reading defenses. At his age he probably should have learned at least some of that by now, the jury is out if its game experience that makes it come around. Physically he's an NFL specimen so we all know thats all you need for some teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I keep reading and hearing that Hackenberg looks the part, but just isnt. He hasnt been the same since O'Brien left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 10:23 AM) I keep reading and hearing that Hackenberg looks the part, but just isnt. He hasnt been the same since O'Brien left Perhaps he'll go to the Texans then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 09:23 AM) I keep reading and hearing that Hackenberg looks the part, but just isnt. He hasnt been the same since O'Brien left His regression could be a number of factors, #1 being Franklin isnt half the offensive coach the BOB is. He also seems to suffer from holding the ball too long waiting for guys to get open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 09:13 AM) Yeah but thats only half of a title. Their last concensus was in 1948 Happy retirement, Tom Osbourne. Plus a BS illegal play won Nebraska a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 QUOTE (Brian @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 09:40 AM) Happy retirement, Tom Osbourne. Plus a BS illegal play won Nebraska a game. Yeah but Woodson took money so it all evens out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 So, Maty Mauk was suspended so I get to see Drew Lock. I don't think I can plan on him being very good, but Mauk was terrible. I do feel bad for Mauk, whose dad just had surgery to remove a cancerous tumor. That and a fanbase being brutal to him...tough stuff. But Lock is clearly better at passing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 10:39 AM) So, Maty Mauk was suspended so I get to see Drew Lock. I don't think I can plan on him being very good, but Mauk was terrible. I do feel bad for Mauk, whose dad just had surgery to remove a cancerous tumor. That and a fanbase being brutal to him...tough stuff. But Lock is clearly better at passing. Wrong thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 10:39 AM) So, Maty Mauk was suspended so I get to see Drew Lock. I don't think I can plan on him being very good, but Mauk was terrible. I do feel bad for Mauk, whose dad just had surgery to remove a cancerous tumor. That and a fanbase being brutal to him...tough stuff. But Lock is clearly better at passing. Kinda of a good/bad situation there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Ha, sorry, came back to the thread and got confused with the Michigan/Michigan state talk. SORRY DONT TALK ABOUT THAT HEY DREW LOCK MAY BE A PRO QB HOW BOUT THEM BEARS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 07:13 AM) Yeah but thats only half of a title. Their last concensus was in 1948 It still counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 07:36 AM) His regression could be a number of factors, #1 being Franklin isnt half the offensive coach the BOB is. He also seems to suffer from holding the ball too long waiting for guys to get open. He hasn't shown the smarts / ability to improve. That is a huge red flag for me. I want a QB who has the tools and consistently gets better. Far more likely they can project forward since they've shown an ability to develop and improve already (vs. get worse / stagnate...that reaks of someone who purely gets by on ability and nothing more). I do realize their are other factors, such as talent, that could force you to not be as good, but I want a guy who is a heady football player. Cook and Goff appear to be that guy with Cook being the guy whose done it in a more pro-style attack and who has shown terrific accuracy at times. He gets a little wild outside of the pocket, but that is something that we can work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 10:57 AM) He hasn't shown the smarts / ability to improve. That is a huge red flag for me. I want a QB who has the tools and consistently gets better. Far more likely they can project forward since they've shown an ability to develop and improve already (vs. get worse / stagnate...that reaks of someone who purely gets by on ability and nothing more). I do realize their are other factors, such as talent, that could force you to not be as good, but I want a guy who is a heady football player. Cook and Goff appear to be that guy with Cook being the guy whose done it in a more pro-style attack and who has shown terrific accuracy at times. He gets a little wild outside of the pocket, but that is something that we can work out. Sonny Dykes and Tony Franklin are head and shoulders better offensive coaches than Hack has ever had. Thats a huge factor. Edited September 30, 2015 by RockRaines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 11:25 AM) Sonny Dykes and Tony Franklin are head and shoulders better offensive coaches than Hack has ever had. Thats a huge factor. Since O'Brien. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 11:27 AM) Since O'Brien. They are both better offensive minds than O'Brien. They are record setting coaches in the college ranks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 why hasnt Pace traded or cut anyone yet today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 11:52 AM) why hasnt Pace traded or cut anyone yet today Days only half over, give him time jeez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 10:57 AM) He hasn't shown the smarts / ability to improve. That is a huge red flag for me. I want a QB who has the tools and consistently gets better. Far more likely they can project forward since they've shown an ability to develop and improve already (vs. get worse / stagnate...that reaks of someone who purely gets by on ability and nothing more). I do realize their are other factors, such as talent, that could force you to not be as good, but I want a guy who is a heady football player. Cook and Goff appear to be that guy with Cook being the guy whose done it in a more pro-style attack and who has shown terrific accuracy at times. He gets a little wild outside of the pocket, but that is something that we can work out. I think this is premature, for 3 games last year he's been amazing. Through 4 games where people game planned for him less so. The rest of the year is when you'd see an adjustment. It's still very early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 11:52 AM) why hasnt Pace traded or cut anyone yet today LOL Seriously why is there anyone left on the roster this afternoon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 670 The Score @670TheScore 40m40 minutes ago Jay Cutler and Alshon Jeffery were limited in practice, #Bears coach John Fox said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Would love to not watch Claussen again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 02:04 PM) Would love to not watch Claussen again. Unless they get a turnover deep in opponent territory, I don't see how they can score with Claussen. Fales must be just awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 11:31 AM) They are both better offensive minds than O'Brien. They are record setting coaches in the college ranks. Yeah, that's kinda what scares me about Goff. When at Louisiana Dykes had the number 1 offense in the country. Guy who was the QB for that team now plays in Japan. He was also apart of those Texas Tech teams that put up ridiculous numbers without producing an NFL QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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