GoSox05 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 QUOTE (scs787 @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 03:43 PM) Yeah, that's kinda what scares me about Goff. When at Louisiana Dykes had the number 1 offense in the country. Guy who was the QB for that team now plays in Japan. He was also apart of those Texas Tech teams that put up ridiculous numbers without producing an NFL QB. I'm not comparing the two players, but what you just described is the exact reason Aaron Rodgers fell to the Packers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 04:06 PM) I'm not comparing the two players, but what you just described is the exact reason Aaron Rodgers fell to the Packers. Goff throws the ball almost 200 more times in a season than Rodgers ever did in college. Tedford, Rodgers college coach, literally was a QB development machine. Dilfer, Volek, Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, AJ Feeley, Boller and Rodgers. The reason Rodgers ended up being the #2 QB in the draft (which isnt bad) is that Cal was so good and Utah literally had nobody else on the team but Alex Smith. Cal had 3 future NFL RB's on roster including Beast Mode. People thought thats why Cal was who they were. Edited September 30, 2015 by RockRaines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 04:19 PM) Goff throws the ball almost 200 more times in a season than Rodgers ever did in college. Not sure how that makes you not good. Drew Brees used to throw well over 500 a year. Derek Carr, who is playing pretty well in the NFL right now, threw almost 700 one year. Manning used to throw a lot as well. I was referring more to the "he is a system QB", "his coach makes him good" type stuff that gets thrown at Goff. That was all the same stuff you heard about Rodgers and his coach Jeff Tedford. I think it cases it can be true, but people always want to go to that. I think that is a generic term for Goff right now. Edited September 30, 2015 by GoSox05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 04:29 PM) Not sure how that makes you not good. Drew Brees used to throw well over 500 a year. Derek Carr, who is playing pretty well in the NFL right now, threw almost 700 one year. Manning used to throw a lot as well. I was referring more to the "he is a system QB", "his coach makes him good" type stuff that gets thrown at Goff. That was all the same stuff you heard about Rodgers and his coach Jeff Tedford. I think it cases it can be true, but people always want to go to that. I think that is a generic term for Goff right now. Because thats not why Rodgers fell. Goff is a system QB, Rodgers played with arguably one of the best 1-2 RB punches in recent history. The knock on him was that he wasnt enough of the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 04:40 PM) Because thats not why Rodgers fell. Goff is a system QB, Rodgers played with arguably one of the best 1-2 RB punches in recent history. The knock on him was that he wasnt enough of the offense. The bigger knock on Rodgers was that every Tedford QB that had been drafted in the first round previously was a bust. Trent Dilfer, Akili Smith, David Carr, Joey Harrington, and Kyle Boller all sucked. He absolutely was viewed as a system guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 04:43 PM) The bigger knock on Rodgers was that every Tedford QB that had been drafted in the first round previously was a bust. Trent Dilfer, Akili Smith, David Carr, Joey Harrington, and Kyle Boller all sucked. He absolutely was viewed as a system guy. I disagree. He was viewed as a guy that benefitted from a dominant run game and thats why Alex Smith was the QB ranked ahead of him. Even still he was a first round selection, its not like he fell down under 5 other QB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Anonymous NFL Draft Scouts Thought Aaron Rodgers Was Just a System Quarterback There are ton of these quotes from scouts. I don't remember any of them saying that Rodgers was only good because of his running game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 04:47 PM) Anonymous NFL Draft Scouts Thought Aaron Rodgers Was Just a System Quarterback There are ton of these quotes from scouts. I don't remember any of them saying that Rodgers was only good because of his running game. I do, especially since Alex Smith was his entire team and Cal was carried by their running game. "System QB's" dont have the numbers he had. He only had 24 TD passes, thats 10 less than JT Barrett had last season. I mentioned the other QB's he developed and that was a concern, but what made the take Smith (spread system) over Rodgers (Tedford System) is that they thought Rodgers benefitted from having a stronger team. Anonymous NFC scout, quoted in an April 19, 2005 Green Bay Press-Gazette story: I just think Aaron's the product of being on a good team. … I see Utah winning because of Alex Smith. He's the one that does it. I don't think Cal was winning because of Aaron Rodgers. He contributes to it, but I don't think he's the team. Edited September 30, 2015 by RockRaines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I think since Rodgers fell that year, teams have evaluated players and QB's especially a bit differently. How many teams passed on him just because they weren't "looking" for a QB? He's one of those once in a lifetime type QB's that literally slipped through 22 teams fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconOnAStick Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Who's the last first round QB to ride the bench as long as Rodgers? I still think that decision contributed greatly to his success. If the Bears take Goff or Cook #1 I wouldn't be opposed to keeping Cutler one (maybe even two!) seasons. It's a development strategy that has simply vanished and I don't know why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 If Cutler is hurt I just want to see Fales play every snap. The guy can sling it a bit and he definitely has more upside than Clausen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 10:11 PM) If Cutler is hurt I just want to see Fales play every snap. The guy can sling it a bit and he definitely has more upside than Clausen. woo hoo 3rd string qb syndrome!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 09:13 PM) woo hoo 3rd string qb syndrome!! To be fair, Clausen is what he is, we have no idea what Fales is. So its more of a prospect syndrome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 I want to see the Fales/Carr rematch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 I do remember the knock on Rodgers being he's a Tedford QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 09:16 PM) To be fair, Clausen is what he is, we have no idea what Fales is. So its more of a prospect syndrome. It's more of a Clausen blows and is 1-11 as a career starter Syndrome for me. Nothing to lose if Fales starts. You never know where a serviceable QB can come from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 QUOTE (Brian @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 03:46 AM) It's more of a Clausen blows and is 1-11 as a career starter Syndrome for me. Nothing to lose if Fales starts. You never know where a serviceable QB can come from. Agreed. We know what Clausen is. We need to know what Fales is. My guess is they don't want to be accused of giving up on the season quite yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted October 1, 2015 Author Share Posted October 1, 2015 There is a 0% chance Clausen can lead the Bears to future playoff success. There is a 0.001% chance Fales can lead the Bears to future playoff success. 0.001 > 0, give Fales a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 09:01 AM) Agreed. We know what Clausen is. We need to know what Fales is. My guess is they don't want to be accused of giving up on the season quite yet. My stance completely. I think the roster turnover etc should show that we are trying to see who can hack it moving forward, and Clausen is not one of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Aaron Rodgers had a delivery hitch in his motion that is prominent with Tedford guys. Green Bay completely reworked his throwing mechanics on top of Rodgers' insane work ethic and need to be the best ever. Had Rodgers gone somewhere else, he may not be what he is today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 09:25 AM) Aaron Rodgers had a delivery hitch in his motion that is prominent with Tedford guys. Green Bay completely reworked his throwing mechanics on top of Rodgers' insane work ethic and need to be the best ever. Had Rodgers gone somewhere else, he may not be what he is today. I agree with this. I also think the whole sitting behind a QB for two years is some sort of cure-all. I think there were some QBs who were put behind offensive lines that created bad habits right away (David Carr). But I think for the most part I doubt that Geno Smith, Blaine Gabbert, RGIII etc would have been great if they just didn't play for 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 11:57 AM) I agree with this. I also think the whole sitting behind a QB for two years is some sort of cure-all. I think there were some QBs who were put behind offensive lines that created bad habits right away (David Carr). But I think for the most part I doubt that Geno Smith, Blaine Gabbert, RGIII etc would have been great if they just didn't play for 2 years. Has that ever been done with a top 5 pick though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 QUOTE (scs787 @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 01:54 PM) Has that ever been done with a top 5 pick though? Rivers sat behind Drew Brees for a couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Mike Rosenberg @RosenbergMerc 3h3 hours ago NFL just finished a calendar month without any player arrests reported. That hadn't happened in more than 6 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gooch Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 02:38 PM) Rivers sat behind Drew Brees for a couple of years. I just looked it up and it looks like the only other example would be Palmer behind Kitna for the entire rookie season. Most 1st round picks are thrown out there in their first season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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