Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 11, 2016 -> 01:07 PM) Oddly enough, given who and how much money we have in FA (along with fact we get White back, so essentially have 2 first round picks), I'm starting to think now might actually be the time to use a 1st rounder on a QB. Of course, I'll say that this purely assumes Fox, Pace & company are very high on said QB and I'd presume the QB would be Lynch or Wentz, guys who need a little more time and thus might be their at 11 because they don't offer teams the "quick fix" alternative. Of course Dallas could nab one of them as the predecessor to Romo (as could the Giants for Eli). They are the only two QB's (outside of Hackenberg) who have what I call those elite QB skills (from a pure physical perspective). Hackenberg is talented, but you have to ding him for the lack of production / improvements (poor coaching or not). Gabriel (former Bear front office man) has raved about both Wentz & Lynch. None of the QB's are worth taking at #11. They could do it in a move down though or a move back up from #39 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 My fiancee is a Steelers fan. Ben is her favorite player but mostly because he's the best player on the team and a necessary component to win Super Bowls. People look past s***. I do it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 11, 2016 -> 01:18 PM) I really think a lot of Paxton Lynch. More I read about him, more I like him. If we were talking Goff or Cook in 1st, at this point, I say crazy talk. I think Goff and Lynch are the best two qb's in the draft. Cook is probably a 2nd or 3rd round type. Same with Hackenberg. Wentz is sort of the toss up. Not sure where he goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 11, 2016 -> 11:54 AM) To give punishments to people for crimes people weren't charged for? I get there was a lot of smoke in Big Ben's case but the track record for all these public rape cases is horrible. By this logic, the NCAA should have expelled the Duke lacrosse kids. UVA should have expelled those kids because there was enough evidence for a Rolling Stone article. Look at what this type of thinking did at Occidental when there wasn't any evidence of foul play, possibly ruined a kids life. Rape has become a subjective term and we shouldn't give governing bodies more power to project these hoity-toity ideals from people entirely removed from the transgressions at hand. Hypothetically, lets say Bill Cosby was an NFL player...do you think Goodell shouldn't have the authority to hold him more accountable for his actions than whatever the court system has decided? Is your employer able to do so (that answer is, with the exception of certain protection, yes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Well, I can tell this thread is going to suck soon, but I can't let this go: Rape has not become a subjective term. You have listed 3 examples. There may be upward of dozens more in the last decade. These stories scare men that believe they too may have someone falsely accuse them of rape. On the flip side, women are scared of actually being sexually assaulted and raped. As opposed to false accusations there are thousands of assaults and rape each year. It is insulting to even insinuate that because there have been cases of false accusations there is an even playing field here that has made rape a subjective term. Too many men rape too many women, and when it happens it is their boyfriends, friends, classmates or co-workers and it makes men uncomfortable to feel associated to that but it is unreal to push back by watering it down to say it doesn't exist. Women saying all men are rapists is a hell of a lot closer to truth than "rape is a subjective term" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 11, 2016 -> 02:03 PM) Hypothetically, lets say Bill Cosby was an NFL player...do you think Goodell shouldn't have the authority to hold him more accountable for his actions than whatever the court system has decided? Is your employer able to do so (that answer is, with the exception of certain protection, yes). I understand why you would want to suspend a player under that level of suspicion, but when nothing comes of it, the player has to be allowed to play. The tougher question is, if the Patrick Kane case had continued, should the NHL have allowed him to play? (Full disclosure: These kind of cases hit home for lots of us, and I had trouble the first quarter of the season cheering for Patrick Kane and probably projected it more than I should have here and elsewhere, and for that I apologize) QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 11, 2016 -> 02:24 PM) Well, I can tell this thread is going to suck soon, but I can't let this go: Rape has not become a subjective term. You have listed 3 examples. There may be upward of dozens more in the last decade. These stories scare men that believe they too may have someone falsely accuse them of rape. On the flip side, women are scared of actually being sexually assaulted and raped. As opposed to false accusations there are thousands of assaults and rape each year. It is insulting to even insinuate that because there have been cases of false accusations there is an even playing field here that has made rape a subjective term. Too many men rape too many women, and when it happens it is their boyfriends, friends, classmates or co-workers and it makes men uncomfortable to feel associated to that but it is unreal to push back by watering it down to say it doesn't exist. Women saying all men are rapists is a hell of a lot closer to truth than "rape is a subjective term" Well said. The number of false accusations pale in comparison to the number of untried cases. Edited January 11, 2016 by AustinIllini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 11, 2016 -> 02:03 PM) Hypothetically, lets say Bill Cosby was an NFL player...do you think Goodell shouldn't have the authority to hold him more accountable for his actions than whatever the court system has decided? Is your employer able to do so (that answer is, with the exception of certain protection, yes). We need to stop using Bill Cosby as an example. He violated over 20 women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 11, 2016 -> 03:24 PM) We need to stop using Bill Cosby as an example. He violated over 20 women. Give Ben time, he's only 33. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 11, 2016 -> 01:24 PM) We need to stop using Bill Cosby as an example. He violated over 20 women. 20 vs 3...what do they have in common...both have multiple occurrences which means their is a lot more smoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 The Bears have officially named Dowell Loggains their new OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 The real question to me is will we bring in a QB coach and if so, who. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 I kind of wanted to see if Caldwell would be fired to see if Jim Bob Cooter would be available. But yes, anxious for new QB coach. Fox's strength is his ties around league. When was last time a bears assistant was promoted to head coach? Ryan? (I don't think Rivera counts because we fired him for Bob Babich) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 11, 2016 -> 04:38 PM) The real question to me is will we bring in a QB coach and if so, who. Our own SoCalSox says Mike Groh and Dave Ragone are under consideration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 I used to want Dave Ragone to BE our QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 11, 2016 -> 04:46 PM) I kind of wanted to see if Caldwell would be fired to see if Jim Bob Cooter would be available. But yes, anxious for new QB coach. Fox's strength is his ties around league. When was last time a bears assistant was promoted to head coach? Ryan? (I don't think Rivera counts because we fired him for Bob Babich) My guess with all of the OC turnover for the Bears and Cutler this was a move to keep continuity. The Lovie Smith coaching tree is not vast that is for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 11, 2016 -> 04:55 PM) Our own SoCalSox says Mike Groh and Dave Ragone are under consideration Dave Ragone is a Quality Control Assistant in Washington. He was the QB coach in Tennessee when Loggains was the OC. Brad Biggs has speculated that former college QB and current WR coach Mike Groh could get moved to QB coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Certainly seems like the time it took to land Gase was concern he'd be 1 and done, so good chance Loggains was picked expecting to move up. In Denver, he moved up gase from McCoy. I trust the dude to pick coaches, that's for damn sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 11, 2016 -> 02:55 PM) I used to want Dave Ragone to BE our QB. I too wanted him. He was a beast at the Ville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Dave Ragone is a Quality Control Assistant in Washington. He was the QB coach in Tennessee when Loggains was the OC. Brad Biggs has speculated that former college QB and current WR coach Mike Groh could get moved to QB coach. As long as Ragone is a better QB coach than local sports talk radio host, that's fine with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 20 vs 3...what do they have in common...both have multiple occurrences which means their is a lot more smoke. I guess if you're a Steelers or RedHawks fan, the acceptable limit is somewhere between 3 and 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 3 game suspension for Burfict Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 11, 2016 -> 04:58 PM) I listed three of the biggest college rape scandals in the country. These were of the most publicized rape cases at Universities and all of them ended in the men being completely absolved from the crime. Maybe it's the media, maybe it's academia, but someone is picking the wrong cases to run with and it's flogging the conversation to a negative light. There's a lot of issues. Obviously I understand rape is a horrible thing and there's a lot of problems with women being able to talk about their experience. I won't even go down that rabbit hole and just assume we're all decent people here. I take issue with the way academia, the media and mainstream feminists (really chauvinists) have tilted the conversation where women experiencing regret in who they have sex with is now considered rape. And that's putting the whole high profile individual thing aside. If a woman or man get hammered and drive a car and get pulled over both of them will be held accountable. If these two people instead decide to have sex, only the man can be held accountable. That's not equality. Only women need to consent. I understand the physical dominance men have over women plays a role but it's not all cut and dried. That's not rape if both people were willing to have sex. I'm sure most of us have had drunk hook ups, and those of us also wouldn't like to be brought to court because a girl wasn't happy with the decisions she made when she was drunk after the fact. This is a testimonial and I don't base my opinion off of my experience but a girl I went to high school with was gorgeous. She had really rich parents who were overbearing and very protective. One night, when we were seniors, someone had a party and the girl who usually, had to be home by midnight, got hammered and sloppy drunk because she was staying at a friends house. She ended up fawning over this guy who, while a great guy, wasn't the most handsome or fit guy. They ended up getting after it and she was telling people laughing about once they were done. Next day, she sobered out and had serious regret because the kid was ugly to her and her friends. She was complaining to her friends about it on her computer and her parents stumbled upon it and went to the lawyers. The girl had to beg her parents not to sue the kid and he nearly had an expulsion hearing. I get this isn't the rule of thumb and real rape is a very separate issue but I just don't believe the rape conversation/picture is very accurate right now. Again, that's putting aside the real victims. Bravo, my friend. Bravo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I am so underwhelmed by Dowell Loggains being promoted to offensive coordinator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jan 11, 2016 -> 05:34 PM) I guess if you're a Steelers or RedHawks fan, the acceptable limit is somewhere between 3 and 20. Insert Notre Dame joke here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 11, 2016 -> 04:11 PM) 20 vs 3...what do they have in common...both have multiple occurrences which means their is a lot more smoke. What's the 3rd one? There was the casino girl who bragged about having sex with him and then the girl wearing the DTF name tag who followed him into the bathroom at the club. Which one am I missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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