Haber promoted to Ast GM

[caulfield12]

exactly, this org in on the cusp of being great with great prospects. so adding to the minor league talent eval is needed and more scouts.

 

http://www.southsidesox.com/minors/2013/2/...s-back-on-track

 

Just be patient. This article (two years old) cites the hiring of seven new Latin American scouts, increased intl. spending and it also predates Micker Adolfo.

 

Everything is trending up...majors, minors and draft/international. Whereas we might have been 25th or 26th entering last year, we've already jumped to the 13-16 range overall by many subjective and some analytical measures.

Edited March 6, 2015 by caulfield12

[LDF]

http://www.southsidesox.com/minors/2013/2/...s-back-on-track

 

Just be patient. This article (two years old) cites the hiring of seven new Latin American scouts, increased intl. spending and it also predates Micker Adolfo.

 

Everything is trending up...majors, minors and draft/international. Whereas we might have been 25th or 26th entering last year, we've already jumped to the 13-16 range overall by many subjective and some analytical measures.

 

me??? i have all the patients in the world. but come on now, it been 2 freaking yrs, the world was made in 6 days. what is taking them so long.

[Boopa1219]

Why? Are you not happy with Hahn's tenure?

 

I couldn't be happier with Hahn, but I really want to see him make the FO his own.

[Boopa1219]

kind of depends on the philosophy that is in place and whether a new one will take over. if it is adding to and not turning over the apple cart so to speak, this is what you get. i too would have like to see some new blood in maybe in the org for running the minors and scouting. new blood, aggressive ideas.

 

the sox ownership believes in loyalty. Haber deserved his promotions.

 

I'm not saying that he didn't, I have actually been hoping for this promotion since last year, when I became aware of him and his role in the org.

 

White Sox "family" and loyalty, as usual.

 

Bell and Paddy came from other organizations.

 

They have their system-wide pitching philosophy, and all those guys serve as advisors to the front office like JR Perdew. If you read about his background, it's really fascinating.

http://dashboard.mlblogs.com/tag/j-r-perdew/

 

Reminds me a lot of Jeff Bannister.

 

Im aware of both Paddy and Bell, I was a big fan of the Paddy signing and I love what the Sox have been doing internationally. I hope Todd Severson can install a hitting philosophy throughout the organization, but that seems to be taking place as he holds the camps every offseason and is pretty hands on during instructs.

 

It is said that Hahn is a pretty well connected guy throughout MLB, and if that is the case I would love to see him bring in some more people from the outside and give some guys who are already in the org bigger roles, like Nick Capra for example.

 

There was one scout in particular that I was upset that the Sox didn't pursue and that was Logan White, who was the Dodgers' scouting director. He handled both the draft and INTL market for the Dodgers and he brought in Kershaw, Puig, Kemp, Seager, Ryu, Eithier, Pederson, Russell, Carlos Santana etc. He is highly respected in baseball circles. To my understanding, White and Coletti got into an argument over the lack of growth in the minor leagues, specifically because of guys like Zach Lee not developing quickly. So White had a lot of his duties stricken from him, Coletti would go on to lose his job a year or two later and the Dodgers have one of the best farms in all of baseball thanks to White, who is now a special assistant to the GM in San Diego. I followed the situation on MLBTR, hoping to see the Sox mentioned and they never pursued him (from what I was able to gather through MLBTR and True Blue.)

 

Yes this is one instance, and the Sox have gone outside to nab Paddy and Bell, but I want to see more new blood and I really want Hahn to really make the FO his own.

Edited March 7, 2015 by Joshua Strong

[LDF]

I'm not saying that he didn't, I have actually been hoping for this promotion since last year, when I became aware of him and his role in the org.

 

 

 

Im aware of both Paddy and Bell, I was a big fan of the Paddy signing and I love what the Sox have been doing internationally. I hope Todd Severson can install a hitting philosophy throughout the organization, but that seems to be taking place as he holds the camps every offseason and is pretty hands on during instructs.

 

It is dais that Hahn is a pretty well connected guy throughout MLB, and if that is the case I would love to see him bring in some more people from the outside and give some guys who are already in the org bigger roles, like Nick Capra for example.

 

There was one scout in particular that I was upset that the Sox didn't pursue and that was Logan White, who was the Dodgers' scouting director. He handled both the draft and INTL market for the Dodgers and he brought in Kershaw, Puig, Seager, Ryu, Eithier, Pederson, Russell, Carlos Santana etc. He is highly respected in baseball circles. To my understanding, White and Coletti got into an argument over the lack of growth in the minor leagues, specifically because of guys like Zach Lee not developing quickly. So White had a lot of his duties stricken from him, Coletti would go on to lose his job a year or two later and the Dodgers have one of the farms in all of baseball thanks to White, who is now a special assistant to the GM in San Diego. I followed the situation on MLBTR, hoping to see the Sox mentioned and they never pursued him (from what I was able to gather through MLBTR and True Blue.)

 

Yes this is one instance, and the Sox have gone outside to nab Paddy and Bell, but I wasn't too see more new blood and I reallyb want Hahn to really make the FO his own.

 

and this Logan White would have been what i was talking about, bringing in someone to help the system grow, to get stronger.

[caulfield12]

I'm not saying that he didn't, I have actually been hoping for this promotion since last year, when I became aware of him and his role in the org.

 

 

 

Im aware of both Paddy and Bell, I was a big fan of the Paddy signing and I love what the Sox have been doing internationally. I hope Todd Severson can install a hitting philosophy throughout the organization, but that seems to be taking place as he holds the camps every offseason and is pretty hands on during instructs.

 

It is said that Hahn is a pretty well connected guy throughout MLB, and if that is the case I would love to see him bring in some more people from the outside and give some guys who are already in the org bigger roles, like Nick Capra for example.

 

There was one scout in particular that I was upset that the Sox didn't pursue and that was Logan White, who was the Dodgers' scouting director. He handled both the draft and INTL market for the Dodgers and he brought in Kershaw, Puig, Kemp, Seager, Ryu, Eithier, Pederson, Russell, Carlos Santana etc. He is highly respected in baseball circles. To my understanding, White and Coletti got into an argument over the lack of growth in the minor leagues, specifically because of guys like Zach Lee not developing quickly. So White had a lot of his duties stricken from him, Coletti would go on to lose his job a year or two later and the Dodgers have one of the best farms in all of baseball thanks to White, who is now a special assistant to the GM in San Diego. I followed the situation on MLBTR, hoping to see the Sox mentioned and they never pursued him (from what I was able to gather through MLBTR and True Blue.)

 

Yes this is one instance, and the Sox have gone outside to nab Paddy and Bell, but I want to see more new blood and I really want Hahn to really make the FO his own.

 

Or the guy who brought in Trout and a lot more Angels' top prospects.

 

That said, with Laumann in place already, it would have meant firing him...and/or Bell. For whatever reason, they apparently preferred to invest time and energy into Haber and hope he catches up on the talent eval side.

 

Another factor is probably the limited White Sox intl. resources up until 2-3 seasons ago. Maybe he preferred AJ Preller to Hahn, we'll probably never be privy to what internal discussions occurred regarding White.

 

[Boopa1219]

Or the guy who brought in Trout and a lot more Angels' top prospects.

 

That said, with Laumann in place already, it would have meant firing him...and/or Bell. For whatever reason, they apparently preferred to invest time and energy into Haber and hope he catches up on the talent eval side.

 

Another factor is probably the limited White Sox intl. resources up until 2-3 seasons ago. Maybe he preferred AJ Preller to Hahn, we'll probably never be privy to what internal discussions occurred regarding White.

 

What happened 2 or 3 years ago dosen't matter, when White was circling interviews the new CBA was already in effect. What happened 2 or 3 years ago is irrelevant.

 

And you can still bring in guys like White and Greg Morhardt (The guy who scouted Trout) into the org without firing anybody.

 

[caulfield12]

What happened 2 or 3 years ago dosen't matter, when White was circling interviews the new CBA was already in effect. What happened 2 or 3 years ago is irrelevant.

 

And you can still bring in guys like White and Greg Morhardt (The guy who scouted Trout) into the org without firing anybody.

 

What possible position could they give him that wouldn't be considered a demotion, or, at best, a lateral move?

 

Not seeing it.

 

Plus, location has to count for something when he was already out in LA. And the appeal of being part of the building of a completely new front office compared to joining the fairly static Sox group.

 

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/nov/01...ires-offseason/

 

 

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/team/front...ce.jsp?c_id=cws

 

Where would you put White exactly? Haber was just promoted and is being groomed. You can't demote Fabian, Capra, Bell, KW, Paddy, Laumann

Edited March 7, 2015 by caulfield12

[caulfield12]

http://mlb.mlb.com/cws/team/exe_bios/fabian_dan.html

 

They also just recently promoted Fabian, who quietly has been behind-the-scenes with the Sox for longer than most sox talk posters have been alive. (He was already discussed earlier in the thread.)

 

 

http://www.southsidesox.com/2012/2/28/2831...ball-operations

This was a very thorough and detailed interview, worth ten Merkin pieces.

 

http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-...ball-operations

Who does statistical analysis of Notre Dame fencing to start a sports career?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 7, 2015 by caulfield12

[LDF]

What happened 2 or 3 years ago dosen't matter, when White was circling interviews the new CBA was already in effect. What happened 2 or 3 years ago is irrelevant.

 

And you can still bring in guys like White and Greg Morhardt (The guy who scouted Trout) into the org without firing anybody.

 

yeah it is called something like special assistant in scouting to whomever.

[Boopa1219]

What possible position could they give him that wouldn't be considered a demotion, or, at best, a lateral move?

 

Not seeing it.

 

Plus, location has to count for something when he was already out in LA. And the appeal of being part of the building of a completely new front office compared to joining the fairly static Sox group.

 

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/nov/01...ires-offseason/

 

 

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/team/front...ce.jsp?c_id=cws

 

Where would you put White exactly? Haber was just promoted and is being groomed. You can't demote Fabian, Capra, Bell, KW, Paddy, Laumann

 

The Pages FO is pretty static too, I think Preller was prohibited from bringing over some key scout's from Texas Along with him.

 

And White had no interest in being a GM, i assume need be willing to take the same 'special assistant to the GM' gig. If i had to fire someone out would be Bell, but you can bring someone new info the organization without firing or denoting someone.

Edited March 8, 2015 by Joshua Strong