Rodon believes he's ready now

[LDF]

I'd just like to stress one more time that "extra work for chris sale because we're skipping the rookie as Mr. Offday" sounds like an equally bad idea. Perhaps worse.

 

i know what you wrote and many time i can understand but pls, do not take this wrong, i don't understand.

 

for my simple mind, can you pls dummy it down, pls

[bmags]

You're right and that's the point. I don't see the service time as a particularly big deal in respect to the the fraction of the seventh season of control but Super 2 rights are a little bit more sketchy. The former seems to be an unintended consequence of a necessary stipulation where the latter leaves room for a change and more to be desired.

 

Yeah, I think Super2 should go. Clearly has become a huge driver, unfairly to a player. Especially for pitchers after the year of the UCL last year.

[Balta1701]

i know what you wrote and many time i can understand but pls, do not take this wrong, i don't understand.

 

for my simple mind, can you pls dummy it down, pls

IMO, keeping Chris Sale healthy is the #1 key to this season. He's already having an issue with that, even though it's not with his arm. We shouldn't be ridiculous about it, we should push to get him over 200 innings, but we also shouldn't be crazy with him. If we're using Mr. "offday" for Rodon, then that means extra starts for everyone else in the rotation. The rest of the rotation doesn't get an extra 5th or 6th day rest, they just go every 4th day and you assume that they'll be ok.

 

That's what I call being stupid with the guys. If you need to shift Sale around at the end of the year, or use Mr Offday to skip a start once because you need Chris to pitch the team into the playoffs, fine, but if Chris has already pitched 220 innings because he had to work every 5th day so Rodon could get his extra rest, that's at best a roll of the dice. Are you ready to put 250-260 innings on Sale's arm in order to make a playoff run? Is having Rodon up really worth that?

 

That's what I call "not being dumb" with the guys. When you have a guy who has had elbow soreness complaints in 2 of his 3 seasons as a starter and a long DL trip last year, don't be dumb with him. Pitch him every time his spot comes up in the rotation, but use the normal 5 man rotation. Let him have extra rest 1/2 of the times he pitches because there's an offday. Don't just assume his arm will be able to take everything you throw at it.

 

If he's going to get hurt during a normal season, fine it was meant to happen. If he's picking up the slack so that you could have a rookie in the rotation and his arm starts getting sore, is the rookie in the rotation a big enough upgrade that you're ok missing Sale for a while? No.

[LDF]

IMO, keeping Chris Sale healthy is the #1 key to this season. He's already having an issue with that, even though it's not with his arm. We shouldn't be ridiculous about it, we should push to get him over 200 innings, but we also shouldn't be crazy with him. If we're using Mr. "offday" for Rodon, then that means extra starts for everyone else in the rotation. The rest of the rotation doesn't get an extra 5th or 6th day rest, they just go every 4th day and you assume that they'll be ok.

 

That's what I call being stupid with the guys. If you need to shift Sale around at the end of the year, or use Mr Offday to skip a start once because you need Chris to pitch the team into the playoffs, fine, but if Chris has already pitched 220 innings because he had to work every 5th day so Rodon could get his extra rest, that's at best a roll of the dice. Are you ready to put 250-260 innings on Sale's arm in order to make a playoff run? Is having Rodon up really worth that?

 

That's what I call "not being dumb" with the guys. When you have a guy who has had elbow soreness complaints in 2 of his 3 seasons as a starter and a long DL trip last year, don't be dumb with him. Pitch him every time his spot comes up in the rotation, but use the normal 5 man rotation. Let him have extra rest 1/2 of the times he pitches because there's an offday. Don't just assume his arm will be able to take everything you throw at it.

 

If he's going to get hurt during a normal season, fine it was meant to happen. If he's picking up the slack so that you could have a rookie in the rotation and his arm starts getting sore, is the rookie in the rotation a big enough upgrade that you're ok missing Sale for a while? No.

 

sorry for having write this long explanation, which i agree with you.

 

now this is what i was talking about a couple of weeks ago, when there was the huge discussion of the sox ownership and their priorities. i leave the rest of that statement unanswered.

 

so to look at a viable options, how come they the FO went looking and addressing the pen, but didn't want to add the sp's?? i just can't understand that. even last week someone said or mention in passing that the sox wasn't planning on using Rodon, but the slight injury to Sale, might rush that.

 

so as of right now, EJ, Beck, Carrol are the front runner to hold down the fort. that is not an encouraging group to put faith in. don't get me wrong, to pitch or to being able to pitch in the majors is an accomplishment, but the sox needs someone better. i guess, they will look at the waiver list again. all this crap to save money, money that is........... well you know my rant.

 

peace

 

[Balta1701]

sorry for having write this long explanation, which i agree with you.

 

now this is what i was talking about a couple of weeks ago, when there was the huge discussion of the sox ownership and their priorities. i leave the rest of that statement unanswered.

 

so to look at a viable options, how come they the FO went looking and addressing the pen, but didn't want to add the sp's?? i just can't understand that. even last week someone said or mention in passing that the sox wasn't planning on using Rodon, but the slight injury to Sale, might rush that.

 

so as of right now, EJ, Beck, Carrol are the front runner to hold down the fort. that is not an encouraging group to put faith in. don't get me wrong, to pitch or to being able to pitch in the majors is an accomplishment, but the sox needs someone better. i guess, they will look at the waiver list again. all this crap to save money, money that is........... well you know my rant.

 

peace

No, Rodon is the front runner to hold down the fort. Rodon coming up and doing a start, or several starts, I have absolutely zero problem with. Carlos Rodon is penciled in as possibly the best or 2nd best 6th starter in the league and that's exactly what he should be to start the season.

 

The team and the pitching coach who has done a good job with these things in the past have both voiced confidence in Danks and Noesi. Assuming no more injuries during spring training, Danks and Noesi are the 4 and 5 starters in some order and there's some upside possible with both.

 

If either of them are terrible their first several times out, then perhaps by the time May is coming around you start looking at how Rodon is doing in the minors and if he's clearly outshining the people around him you say fine, bring him up and deal with the extra rest he'll need.

 

If someone has an injury though, Rodon should be the #1 guy expected to fill in. If Sale has to miss his first start of the year they can probably get by with a single offday for that since there are always 2 offdays built into the first week, but if he's out more than a week, Carlos Rodon should absolutely get that start.

 

Beck and Penny and maybe EJ/Carroll are your #7/#8/#9 starters and if we're relying on our #8 starter to pitch us into the playoffs then bigger things have gone wrong and no team that has to go that far into its depth is going to look very good anywhere.

 

With Rodon as a reasonable 6th starter/first fillin guy, we have as solid of a replacement plan for a starting pitcher on a short term injury as any other team in baseball.

[caulfield12]

IMO, keeping Chris Sale healthy is the #1 key to this season. He's already having an issue with that, even though it's not with his arm. We shouldn't be ridiculous about it, we should push to get him over 200 innings, but we also shouldn't be crazy with him. If we're using Mr. "offday" for Rodon, then that means extra starts for everyone else in the rotation. The rest of the rotation doesn't get an extra 5th or 6th day rest, they just go every 4th day and you assume that they'll be ok.

 

That's what I call being stupid with the guys. If you need to shift Sale around at the end of the year, or use Mr Offday to skip a start once because you need Chris to pitch the team into the playoffs, fine, but if Chris has already pitched 220 innings because he had to work every 5th day so Rodon could get his extra rest, that's at best a roll of the dice. Are you ready to put 250-260 innings on Sale's arm in order to make a playoff run? Is having Rodon up really worth that?

 

That's what I call "not being dumb" with the guys. When you have a guy who has had elbow soreness complaints in 2 of his 3 seasons as a starter and a long DL trip last year, don't be dumb with him. Pitch him every time his spot comes up in the rotation, but use the normal 5 man rotation. Let him have extra rest 1/2 of the times he pitches because there's an offday. Don't just assume his arm will be able to take everything you throw at it.

 

If he's going to get hurt during a normal season, fine it was meant to happen. If he's picking up the slack so that you could have a rookie in the rotation and his arm starts getting sore, is the rookie in the rotation a big enough upgrade that you're ok missing Sale for a while? No.

 

 

All quite logical. But do they have the discipline to stick to this plan to protect guys in the heat of the August playoff drive?

 

If they're throwing the likes of Penny, Carroll, Johnson and Beck out there, it might get ugly.

 

The best case is guys like Montas and Danish can also end up pitching like Brandon McCarthy did down the stretch in 2005...and you take some workload off Sale and Rodon without putting the team behind the 8 ball or forcing a mid season trade deadline acquisition.

[Balta1701]

All quite logical. But do they have the discipline to stick to this plan to protect guys in the heat of the August playoff drive?

 

If they're throwing the likes of Penny, Carroll, Johnson and Beck out there, it might get ugly.

 

The best case is guys like Montas and Danish can also end up pitching like Brandon McCarthy did down the stretch in 2005...and you take some workload off Sale and Rodon without putting the team behind the 8 ball or forcing a mid season trade deadline acquisition.

That's why you be careful about it early in the year. Make sure Sale gets solid rest, because if you absolutely need to skip a start down the stretch, you're not adding extra innings onto a guy who's already pitched 220 or something like that, you're adding them onto a guy who's pitched 200. That's why Rodon being up the majority of the year is something I consider to be an unnecessary risk.

[LDF]

No, Rodon is the front runner to hold down the fort. Rodon coming up and doing a start, or several starts, I have absolutely zero problem with. Carlos Rodon is penciled in as possibly the best or 2nd best 6th starter in the league and that's exactly what he should be to start the season.

 

The team and the pitching coach who has done a good job with these things in the past have both voiced confidence in Danks and Noesi. Assuming no more injuries during spring training, Danks and Noesi are the 4 and 5 starters in some order and there's some upside possible with both.

 

If either of them are terrible their first several times out, then perhaps by the time May is coming around you start looking at how Rodon is doing in the minors and if he's clearly outshining the people around him you say fine, bring him up and deal with the extra rest he'll need.

 

If someone has an injury though, Rodon should be the #1 guy expected to fill in. If Sale has to miss his first start of the year they can probably get by with a single offday for that since there are always 2 offdays built into the first week, but if he's out more than a week, Carlos Rodon should absolutely get that start.

 

Beck and Penny and maybe EJ/Carroll are your #7/#8/#9 starters and if we're relying on our #8 starter to pitch us into the playoffs then bigger things have gone wrong and no team that has to go that far into its depth is going to look very good anywhere.

 

With Rodon as a reasonable 6th starter/first fillin guy, we have as solid of a replacement plan for a starting pitcher on a short term injury as any other team in baseball.

 

and you and i assume many others are making this assessment after 1 spring training game???

 

~~~ EDIT - oops i meant this for another post.

Edited March 9, 2015 by LDF

[Balta1701]

and you and i assume many others are making this assessment after 1 spring training game???

I'm pretty sure you could find me saying Rodon is the perfect 6th starter last year before we even traded for Samardzija.

[LDF]

I'm pretty sure you could find me saying Rodon is the perfect 6th starter last year before we even traded for Samardzija.

 

well, thanks for your honesty. i would like to think about it, like the st of MO slogan, "LET HIM SHOW ME."

[Soxfest]

Tony Clark can watch all he wants, he cannot tell teams how to make roster decisions. When teams can dump bad contracts like Either and A-Roid then Clark and agents can complain.

[3GamesToLove]

If this is the Rodon thread now...

 

His next start is Wednesday the 11th. Meltonvision will be available.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

I believe there are 2 financially sound deadlines to wait for on Rodon, correct? The "extra year of control" dead that will pass sometime in early May, maybe? And the "1 less year of arb" deadline, which is usually sometime mid-June, right?

[Ozzie Ball]

I believe there are 2 financially sound deadlines to wait for on Rodon, correct? The "extra year of control" dead that will pass sometime in early May, maybe? And the "1 less year of arb" deadline, which is usually sometime mid-June, right?

April 25th per Keith Law (talking about a different player but the same rule would apply to Rodon):

 

Gary (GA)

So can ATL delay Folty's free agency by a year if they keep him in the minors until mid-May or so?

 

Klaw

Two weeks. Call him up on April 25th and you're golden.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/...sider-keith-law

[Chicago White Sox]

With three off days in the first 11 days of the season, we really don't need a 5th starter. Assuming Sale is out, each guy gets two starts and they would all be pitching on five days rest in their third starts. Hopefully Sale is back by the 17th though, because we then hit a stretch of 17 games in 17 days (assuming no rainouts). It's after this stretch I would target a possible Rodon call-up. At this point, Hahn and the coaching staff would have five starts to evaluate Danks & Noesi on and four/five AAA starts to evaluate Rodon on. And more importantly, we'd be about a week past the service time deadline.

 

I'll straight up say I disagree with Balta on the need to baby Rodon throughout the season. His issues in college last year were due to extremely high pitch counts, not because he pitched a ton of innings. If he's a better option than Danks or Noesi, then he needs to be in the rotation as soon as possible as long as we don't lose the extra year of service time. I don't really care if he can only give us 20 or so starts. Take those starts from May to August and then shut him down or move him to the bullpen the rest of the way. There is no reason for this skip a start nonsense Balta is proposing. We need Rodon this year to help keep us in the race while see how this team takes shape. There's no need to f*** around with the rest of the rotation in hopes of getting a few starts from him in September. Again, take your 20 starts from Carlos and call it a day. Those starts from May to July are ultimately just as important (if not more) in terms of making the playoffs. And the good thing is if we need to add a starter, at least we'll have a better idea if we're a legit contender.

Edited March 10, 2015 by Chicago White Sox

[LDF]

With three off days in the first 11 days of the season, we really don't need a 5th starter. Assuming Sale is out, each guy gets two starts and they would all be pitching on five days rest in their third starts. Hopefully Sale is back by the 17th though, because we then hit a stretch of 17 games in 17 days (assuming no rainouts). It's after this stretch I would target a possible Rodon call-up. At this point, Hahn and the coaching staff would have five starts to evaluate Danks & Noesi on and four/five AAA starts to evaluate Rodon on. And more importantly, we'd be about a week past the service time deadline.

 

I'll straight up say I disagree with Balta on the need to baby Rodon throughout the season. His issues in college last year were due to extremely high pitch counts, not because he pitched a ton of innings. If he's a better option than Danks or Noesi, then he needs to be in the rotation as soon as possible as long as we don't lose the extra year of service time. I don't really care if he can only give us 20 or so starts. Take those starts from May to August and then shut him down or move him to the bullpen the rest of the way. There is no reason for this skip a start nonsense Balta is proposing. We need Rodon this year to help keep us in the race while see how this team takes shape. There's no need to f*** around with the rest of the rotation in hopes of getting a few starts from him in September. Again, take your 20 starts from Carlos and call it a day. Those starts from May to July are ultimately just as important (if not more) in terms of making the playoffs. And the good thing is if we need to add a starter, at least we'll have a better idea if we're a legit contender.

 

the season is long and it is going to be hard. this team needs to think about resting the starting 5 pitchers with a limited pitch count. yes, i agree that this team first needs to make the playoff, but it is not going to happen in the first 2 months. the race will intensify towards the end of the season.

 

let me ask this question, how many of the present starting 5 pitchers has pitched in the playoff? how many have pitched long innings, innings in the area of 190+ and more considering the amount of playoff games they will play? how many innings does anyone can expect from Rodon, who is a rookie, who had a dead arm last yr, he will need to build up to those long innings??

 

i agree with Balta, spread those innings smartly with a full rotation, to save up innings, to save the arm for the longer haul, the playoff. yeah, first the team needs to make it, and i have faith. while drinking my sox kool-aid.

 

lastly, there is no right or wrong formula, to get pitchers and the team ready for the playoff, and this team does not have any previous experience. so it is flying by the seat of the pants and hope the FO is and will do it right.

Edited March 10, 2015 by LDF

[caulfield12]

the season is long and it is going to be hard. this team needs to think about resting the starting 5 pitchers with a limited pitch count. yes, i agree that this team first needs to make the playoff, but it is not going to happen in the first 2 months. the race will intensify towards the end of the season.

 

let me ask this question, how many of the present starting 5 pitchers has pitched in the playoff? how many have pitched long innings, innings in the area of 190+ and more considering the amount of playoff games they play? how many innings does anyone can expect from Rodon, who is a rookie, who had a dead arm last yr, he will need to build up to those long innings??

 

i agree with Balta, spread those innings smartly with a full rotation, to save up innings, to save the arm for the longer haul, the playoff. yeah, first the team needs to make it, and i have faith. while drinking my sox kool-aid.

 

lastly, there is no right or wrong formula to get pitchers and the team ready for the playoff, and this team does not have any previous experience. so it is flying by the seat of the pants and hope the FO is and will do it right.

 

 

Samardzija (1 IP)...and Danks, also, more famously, in 2008.

Edited March 10, 2015 by caulfield12

[Boopa1219]

With three off days in the first 11 days of the season, we really don't need a 5th starter. Assuming Sale is out, each guy gets two starts and they would all be pitching on five days rest in their third starts. Hopefully Sale is back by the 17th though, because we then hit a stretch of 17 games in 17 days (assuming no rainouts). It's after this stretch I would target a possible Rodon call-up. At this point, Hahn and the coaching staff would have five starts to evaluate Danks & Noesi on and four/five AAA starts to evaluate Rodon on. And more importantly, we'd be about a week past the service time deadline.

 

I'll straight up say I disagree with Balta on the need to baby Rodon throughout the season. His issues in college last year were due to extremely high pitch counts, not because he pitched a ton of innings. If he's a better option than Danks or Noesi, then he needs to be in the rotation as soon as possible as long as we don't lose the extra year of service time. I don't really care if he can only give us 20 or so starts. Take those starts from May to August and then shut him down or move him to the bullpen the rest of the way. There is no reason for this skip a start nonsense Balta is proposing. We need Rodon this year to help keep us in the race while see how this team takes shape. There's no need to f*** around with the rest of the rotation in hopes of getting a few starts from him in September. Again, take your 20 starts from Carlos and call it a day. Those starts from May to July are ultimately just as important (if not more) in terms of making the playoffs. And the good thing is if we need to add a starter, at least we'll have a better idea if we're a legit contender.

 

Awesome post.

 

I think that Rodon should be called up after the extra year of service time is guaranteed, 20 big leauge starts would be ideal with him moving to the bullpen for the playoffs, since you can empty a four man rotation.

 

The thing that intrigues me the most about the Rodon situation is that if he gets called up and is performing well, along with the other members of the rotation, he gives the Sox some trade possibilities should they feel the need to make a move because he makes guys like Noessi and (especially) Danks expendable If the Sox feel like they need to upgrade in an certain or if they want to add more depth to the farm.

 

 

[Balta1701]

With three off days in the first 11 days of the season, we really don't need a 5th starter. Assuming Sale is out, each guy gets two starts and they would all be pitching on five days rest in their third starts. Hopefully Sale is back by the 17th though, because we then hit a stretch of 17 games in 17 days (assuming no rainouts). It's after this stretch I would target a possible Rodon call-up. At this point, Hahn and the coaching staff would have five starts to evaluate Danks & Noesi on and four/five AAA starts to evaluate Rodon on. And more importantly, we'd be about a week past the service time deadline.

 

I'll straight up say I disagree with Balta on the need to baby Rodon throughout the season. His issues in college last year were due to extremely high pitch counts, not because he pitched a ton of innings. If he's a better option than Danks or Noesi, then he needs to be in the rotation as soon as possible as long as we don't lose the extra year of service time. I don't really care if he can only give us 20 or so starts. Take those starts from May to August and then shut him down or move him to the bullpen the rest of the way. There is no reason for this skip a start nonsense Balta is proposing. We need Rodon this year to help keep us in the race while see how this team takes shape. There's no need to f*** around with the rest of the rotation in hopes of getting a few starts from him in September. Again, take your 20 starts from Carlos and call it a day. Those starts from May to July are ultimately just as important (if not more) in terms of making the playoffs. And the good thing is if we need to add a starter, at least we'll have a better idea if we're a legit contender.

I'll say I straight up disagree on your 2nd paragraph.

 

Take a look at your own argument. Rodon was tired not because he threw a lot of innings but because his pitch counts were high. In other words, he was throwing a lot of pitches, not translating that into a lot of innings, and wound up with fatigue because of it. Is that something you seriously expect to improve while jumping directly from college ball to the big leagues? Big league hitters don't get themselves out easier than guys in college.

 

Based on that set of statements you just, IMO, made an even more convincing case that Rodon for those 20 starts isn't a good idea and that he not only needs time to get stretched out but he has more work to do to be ready for the big leagues, at least for the first couple months.

 

If all Rodon is going to give us is 20 starts and he can't be "Chris Sale dominant" in those 20 starts because he's putting up high pitch counts and not lasting 6+ innings, then we don't need Rodon to help us in the race, we need Rodon to get better and be ready to be a fill in when we need him in the rotation. In fact, based on what you just said, Rodon would not be in a position to "help us in the race" especially if he can't go more than 20 starts.

 

Pitching a guy 20 starts and then expecting someone else who isn't stretched out to fill in for him is nonsense moreso than what you decided to call nonsense on my part.

[southsider2k5]

With three off days in the first 11 days of the season, we really don't need a 5th starter. Assuming Sale is out, each guy gets two starts and they would all be pitching on five days rest in their third starts. Hopefully Sale is back by the 17th though, because we then hit a stretch of 17 games in 17 days (assuming no rainouts). It's after this stretch I would target a possible Rodon call-up. At this point, Hahn and the coaching staff would have five starts to evaluate Danks & Noesi on and four/five AAA starts to evaluate Rodon on. And more importantly, we'd be about a week past the service time deadline.

 

I'll straight up say I disagree with Balta on the need to baby Rodon throughout the season. His issues in college last year were due to extremely high pitch counts, not because he pitched a ton of innings. If he's a better option than Danks or Noesi, then he needs to be in the rotation as soon as possible as long as we don't lose the extra year of service time. I don't really care if he can only give us 20 or so starts. Take those starts from May to August and then shut him down or move him to the bullpen the rest of the way. There is no reason for this skip a start nonsense Balta is proposing. We need Rodon this year to help keep us in the race while see how this team takes shape. There's no need to f*** around with the rest of the rotation in hopes of getting a few starts from him in September. Again, take your 20 starts from Carlos and call it a day. Those starts from May to July are ultimately just as important (if not more) in terms of making the playoffs. And the good thing is if we need to add a starter, at least we'll have a better idea if we're a legit contender.

 

I keep seeing Chris Sale pointed to, but what about the other side of the coin with a guy like Jose Quintana? Because they pushed his innings up his first year (2012), [2011 100 IP, 2012 184 total IP] he was able to jump to 200 IP in 13, and repeat it again in 14. The guy is primed and ready to jump to 230 IP, or more, if the season asks for it. With Rodon's body type, I would guess he is much closer to a Quintana than a Sale.

 

[southsider2k5]

I'll say I straight up disagree on your 2nd paragraph.

 

Take a look at your own argument. Rodon was tired not because he threw a lot of innings but because his pitch counts were high. In other words, he was throwing a lot of pitches, not translating that into a lot of innings, and wound up with fatigue because of it. Is that something you seriously expect to improve while jumping directly from college ball to the big leagues? Big league hitters don't get themselves out easier than guys in college.

 

Based on that set of statements you just, IMO, made an even more convincing case that Rodon for those 20 starts isn't a good idea and that he not only needs time to get stretched out but he has more work to do to be ready for the big leagues, at least for the first couple months.

 

If all Rodon is going to give us is 20 starts and he can't be "Chris Sale dominant" in those 20 starts because he's putting up high pitch counts and not lasting 6+ innings, then we don't need Rodon to help us in the race, we need Rodon to get better and be ready to be a fill in when we need him in the rotation. In fact, based on what you just said, Rodon would not be in a position to "help us in the race" especially if he can't go more than 20 starts.

 

Pitching a guy 20 starts and then expecting someone else who isn't stretched out to fill in for him is nonsense moreso than what you decided to call nonsense on my part.

 

That isn't necessarily the case. For whatever reason I can't find IP leaders from the NCAA site for last year, but that could just as easily mean that his coach uses him for a lot of innings in the starts that he gets.

[Dick Allen]

That isn't necessarily the case. For whatever reason I can't find IP leaders from the NCAA site for last year, but that could just as easily mean that his coach uses him for a lot of innings in the starts that he gets.

It is also different because they pitch once a week, not every 5 days.

 

I would think 150-170 innings are about as many as the White Sox would want Rodon to throw in 2015. They have to get the extra year service time, it makes zero sense not to get that. It isn't like Boras will remember you did him a solid and cut you a break later. After that though, if he shows he is one of your top 5 starters, you have to put him in the rotation if you are trying to win, and figure out the innings then. Maybe move him to the bullpen when he is closing on his limit. But not having one of your top 5 starters starting games when you are trying to win makes no sense. Who knows, maybe he gets lit up in Charlotte and they play the same game next year.

 

 

 

[southsider2k5]

To me it all depends on how good the Sox think their chances are of winning the division this year. If they think they are within a couple of games, can they sacrifice games simply because they want to get Rodon away from Super 2 status? Not really. The Central is pretty tightly packed between the top four teams. It isn't hard to imagine a scenario where three bad starts is the difference between October baseball and October golf.

[lasttriptotulsa]

To me it all depends on how good the Sox think their chances are of winning the division this year. If they think they are within a couple of games, can they sacrifice games simply because they want to get Rodon away from Super 2 status? Not really. The Central is pretty tightly packed between the top four teams. It isn't hard to imagine a scenario where three bad starts is the difference between October baseball and October golf.

 

I don't think Super 2 should even be worried about with Rodon. I do think the Sox will wait a couple weeks to a month before they bring him up for three reasons. One, to help him limit his innings, two, to give him a couple AAA starts to see if you really think he is ready, and three, to get the extra year of service time. But as far as Super 2 is concerned, if Rodon gives the Sox the best chance to win, who cares about paying him a few million extra in 3 years.

Edited March 10, 2015 by lasttriptotulsa

[flavum]

My hope is he goes to Charlotte, starts about 8 games, and see where he is, and where the team is, when he gets to about 40-45 innings.

 

Then make a decision.