Rodon believes he's ready now

[Balta1701]

While I love his competitive nature I really don't think he's ready yet and I don't think money or any of that is on his mind just yet. He wants to compete with the best because he believes he's one of the best. Nothing wrong with that. The Sox will know more by the end of spring training and then we'll see how it'll work out.

I also disagree with the notion that we'll know more by the end of Spring Training. He could throw 30 straight perfect innings and I'd still say "He's going to wind up exhausted by the all star break if we try to use him on the big league team from day 1 and that will cost us dearly in the 2nd half".

[Dick Allen]

Has Rodon ever pitched in the Cape Cod league or something similar?

[AlSoxfan]

I also disagree with the notion that we'll know more by the end of Spring Training. He could throw 30 straight perfect innings and I'd still say "He's going to wind up exhausted by the all star break if we try to use him on the big league team from day 1 and that will cost us dearly in the 2nd half".

I don't disagree with you there, I just think or meant he's still working on his change-up and he's never faced any big league hitters yet. I don't believe there's any rush to bring him up yet either. The last thing I wanna see is him burning out early or injuring his arm.

Edited March 9, 2015 by AlSoxfan

[Dick Allen]

I also disagree with the notion that we'll know more by the end of Spring Training. He could throw 30 straight perfect innings and I'd still say "He's going to wind up exhausted by the all star break if we try to use him on the big league team from day 1 and that will cost us dearly in the 2nd half".

Why? He can then be replaced. If a guy is giving you top quality for 25 or 26 starts and he is in essence a 4 or 5 starter, you are ahead of the game. In 2014 Chris Sale made 26 starts. I am sure there are a couple of teams that probably would have fared better had he been their #4 or #5 starter.

 

I can't get over the fact that you think teams have 5 starters the entire year. It doesn't happen. The 2005 White Sox tied a record using 6, and that is a record. Your bottom of the rotation guys missing starts is common and no big deal.

Edited March 9, 2015 by Dick Allen

[Balta1701]

Has Rodon ever pitched in the Cape Cod league or something similar?

To the best of my knowledge no. He's thrown 110 innings in 2012 then 130 in 2013 and 98 college followed by 25 pro innings last year.

 

 

And last year, people were repeatedly talking about him being "overworked" while at NC State because their coach left him in for some long outings. People also suggested that was one of the reasons his stats in 2014 (hits, WHIP) were higher than in 2013 - because he had a dead arm period mid-season due to the workload. It's entirely possible we have him right now because of the fact that his arm wasn't stretched out and ready to handle that load.

[Balta1701]

Why? He can then be replaced. If a guy is giving you top quality for 25 or 26 starts and he is in essence a 4 or 5 starter, you are ahead of the game. In 2014 Chris Sale made 26 starts. I am sure there are a couple of teams that probably would have fared better had he been their #4 or #5 starter.

 

I can't get over the fact that you think teams have 5 starters the entire year. It doesn't happen. The 2005 White Sox tied a record using 6, and that is a record. Your bottom of the rotation guys missing starts is common and no big deal.

So you're saying there could be a need of having a guy who starts the season down at Charlotte and comes up mid-season? Golly, I wonder who we might use in that role.

[Dick Allen]

So you're saying there could be a need of having a guy who starts the season down at Charlotte and comes up mid-season? Golly, I wonder who we might use in that role.

But you are still going to have the same issue later in the season. He is going to start in Charlotte for service time, but if he could throw 150-160 innings, he is fine in the rotation.

 

There will be at least 2 or 3 guys, even if this season is a total success not named Sale, Samardzija, Quintana, Danks, Noesi or Rodon who make starts for the White Sox in 2015. Probably even more.

[Balta1701]

But you are still going to have the same issue later in the season. He is going to start in Charlotte for service time, but if he could throw 150-160 innings, he is fine in the rotation.

 

There will be at least 2 or 3 guys, even if this season is a total success not named Sale, Samardzija, Quintana, Danks, Noesi or Rodon who make starts for the White Sox in 2015. Probably even more.

In Charlotte no one is going to mind if he has to take a start off every month for fatigue or if he pitches for a month with a dead arm and loses 3 straight working through it because we really don't care if we win those games.

[Dick Allen]

In Charlotte no one is going to mind if he has to take a start off every month for fatigue or if he pitches for a month with a dead arm and loses 3 straight working through it because we really don't care if we win those games.

Once the service issue is taken care of, if he gives the White Sox a better chance to win, you call him up. So he misses starts here and there. He can be skipped with off days, or put him on the DL with some phantom injury, and give him a 2 week break at some point.

 

 

 

[southsider2k5]

Man people are really aggressive about a pretty innocuous comment.

 

I like seeing the confidence in himself that the kid has. If you look around MLB, pretty much any true ace has this kind of mentality.

[southsider2k5]

To the best of my knowledge no. He's thrown 110 innings in 2012 then 130 in 2013 and 98 college followed by 25 pro innings last year.

 

And last year, people were repeatedly talking about him being "overworked" while at NC State because their coach left him in for some long outings. People also suggested that was one of the reasons his stats in 2014 (hits, WHIP) were higher than in 2013 - because he had a dead arm period mid-season due to the workload. It's entirely possible we have him right now because of the fact that his arm wasn't stretched out and ready to handle that load.

 

This was more due to him having 132 pitches in an individual start (and other's like it) versus his being used in too many innings.

 

Example

 

https://www.accsports.com/articles/worn-dow...ers-of-the-year

[LDF]

While I love his competitive nature I really don't think he's ready yet and I don't think money or any of that is on his mind just yet. He wants to compete with the best because he believes he's one of the best. Nothing wrong with that. The Sox will know more by the end of spring training and then we'll see how it'll work out.

with all due respect, but do you really believe it is his competitive nature that has him saying this?

 

look at wash and B Harper this offseason. it was all competitive, yup, between his agent and wash fo about his tenure and salary.

 

it about the money, i think the sox fo will have a better idea on him and whether he is good enuf to help the team come playoff.

[bmags]

I don't understand why Rodon should play the game of rooting for the White Sox to get another year of his performance at sub-market value. I understand why we fans want it, but I don't understand why he should also be totally onboard for not getting paid all he can for his ridiculously rare talent.

[AlSoxfan]

with all due respect, but do you really believe it is his competitive nature that has him saying this?

 

look at wash and B Harper this offseason. it was all competitive, yup, between his agent and wash fo about his tenure and salary.

 

it about the money, i think the sox fo will have a better idea on him and whether he is good enuf to help the team come playoff.

I'm sure money's in the back of his mind and he has a good healthy sense of how much he can make (ie the agent he hired) I still think it's his competitiveness that drives him to want to make the team out of spring training. Don't all athletes want to compete against the best, be the best? They hire agents to worry about the money.

[LDF]

I'm sure money's in the back of his mind and he has a good healthy sense of how much he can make (ie the agent he hired) I still think it's his competitiveness that drives him to want to make the team out of spring training. Don't all athletes want to compete against the best, be the best? They hire agents to worry about the money.

 

but the coaches will know if he is ready to play in the majors. what is the total of his innings pitched? he barely had 150 innings in the majors. he needs real time experience. the kind of experience he will get with repetitions. even if it in AA or AAA. he needs reps.

 

saying and talking about he is or should be pitching in the majors or break camp with the sox or whatever, he is not doing himself any favors.

[shysocks]

Everything you will read this spring about Rodon starting the season in Chicago will be completely driven by the media. In the example of this story, I'm sure he was asked if he's ready now, and of course he said yes because who wouldn't. There is no doubt that the Sox already know he will be spending time in Charlotte this year. And there's no doubt that's the smart decision.

 

There are also legitimate arguments, which many are making here, that he isn't ready anyway.

[LDF]

I don't understand why Rodon should play the game of rooting for the White Sox to get another year of his performance at sub-market value. I understand why we fans want it, but I don't understand why he should also be totally onboard for not getting paid all he can for his ridiculously rare talent.

 

it is really not about the money, the sox do not need him in the first month or the few weeks of the season. it is cold, windy and a rookie, yeah a promising rookie does not need that conditions, he can be in the minors working on endurance and arm strength. so when the sox do need him, esp for the playoff, he will not have that many innings pitched and can, maybe be the surprise this team needs in the playoff.

 

it is about the playoff and i really don't give a holy crap about anything else. if he and his agents get hurt, well deal with the hurt feeling while pitching the sox in the playoff.

[AlSoxfan]

Everything you will read this spring about Rodon starting the season in Chicago will be completely driven by the media. In the example of this story, I'm sure he was asked if he's ready now, and of course he said yes because who wouldn't. There is no doubt that the Sox already know he will be spending time in Charlotte this year. And there's no doubt that's the smart decision.

 

There are also legitimate arguments, which many are making here, that he isn't ready anyway.

My thoughts exactly..

[southsider2k5]

Everything you will read this spring about Rodon starting the season in Chicago will be completely driven by the media. In the example of this story, I'm sure he was asked if he's ready now, and of course he said yes because who wouldn't. There is no doubt that the Sox already know he will be spending time in Charlotte this year. And there's no doubt that's the smart decision.

 

There are also legitimate arguments, which many are making here, that he isn't ready anyway.

 

The arguments will be driven by Rodon's performance. If he doesn't show he is ready, there is no argument for the media to make.

[bmags]

Everything you will read this spring about Rodon starting the season in Chicago will be completely driven by the media. In the example of this story, I'm sure he was asked if he's ready now, and of course he said yes because who wouldn't. There is no doubt that the Sox already know he will be spending time in Charlotte this year. And there's no doubt that's the smart decision.

 

There are also legitimate arguments, which many are making here, that he isn't ready anyway.

 

Did you read paul sullivan's terrible article where he's basically claiming sox are idiots if he's not up right away because Sullivan saw one 2-inning spring training?

[shysocks]

The arguments will be driven by Rodon's performance. If he doesn't show he is ready, there is no argument for the media to make.

I agree with you in theory, but I think the media has shown it doesn't need much to run with this one. A few bad outings in a row might quiet things down temporarily, but after the next good one the takes will be just as hot.

 

Did you read paul sullivan's terrible article where he's basically claiming sox are idiots if he's not up right away because Sullivan saw one 2-inning spring training?

Not the whole thing, I only read the SSS criticism of it. And yes, Sullivan is a piece of work and that's a ridiculous thing to say.

 

MLB should change the service time rules because they're silly, but until they do, the Sox - and every team - should ride that bus to its full extent.

 

EDIT: And yes, I know MLB can't just do that. You know what I mean.

Edited March 9, 2015 by shysocks

[LDF]

Is there a plausible alternative in this situation though?

and what happens if there is a full staff of pitchers, just b/c a player and or his agent are saying that he should be pitching in the majors, should the team change everything around to please them?

[shysocks]

Is there a plausible alternative in this situation though?

Probably not, or it's for somebody smarter than me to figure out. You could get rid of any kind of draft and make everyone a free agent right away. That's the fairest solution depending on your perspective, but obviously it'll never happen.

[Y2Jimmy0]

The same people that want Rodon with the big club immediately would be the ones criticizing the Sox 6 years from now because they moved him before free agency.

[Balta1701]

Once the service issue is taken care of, if he gives the White Sox a better chance to win, you call him up. So he misses starts here and there. He can be skipped with off days, or put him on the DL with some phantom injury, and give him a 2 week break at some point.

I'd just like to stress one more time that "extra work for chris sale because we're skipping the rookie as Mr. Offday" sounds like an equally bad idea. Perhaps worse.