flavum Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 The one real beef I have about Beckham is - why the major league deal? It seems to me they could have said to his agent- "Try to get a major league deal somewhere else, but if you can't, we'll bring him back as a non-roster invite". Chances are he would have made the team either way, but at least they'd have an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Mar 18, 2015 -> 01:26 PM) Yet they felt the need to bring him back after shipping him off. Just accept it was a failed draft pick and move on. He's gonna start moving into Roberto Alomar territory. KW always gets his man. The felt that Beckham filled a hole on the team better than anyone else they had. With the off-season we had, if they saw something better, they would have done it. They accepted his failure when they shipped him off for a PTBNL, and when they replaced him with a trio of rookies. Just because he failed as a starter, doesn't mean he can't be useful as a bench player. Just about every reliever on the planet is a failed starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 If I disliked Beckham before (this was mainly because he went off on how inconvenienced he was by Pres.Obama and the Secret Service rerouting traffic for their motorcade when he was trying to get to the stadium), then this thread will push the rest of us over the edge of the abyss. That and his idiotic walk-up music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 18, 2015 -> 01:57 PM) If I disliked Beckham before (this was mainly because he went off on how inconvenienced he was by Pres.Obama and the Secret Service rerouting traffic for their motorcade when he was trying to get to the stadium), then this thread will push the rest of us over the edge of the abyss. That and his idiotic walk-up music. I literally would ban that song. Pick a new one or GTFO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 18, 2015 -> 01:59 PM) I literally would ban that song. Pick a new one or GTFO. That song is the best thing about his signing and makes me reconsider my opinion on it. It's a classic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Mar 18, 2015 -> 01:06 PM) That song is the best thing about his signing and makes me reconsider my opinion on it. It's a classic. Your what hurts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Mar 18, 2015 -> 02:06 PM) That song is the best thing about his signing and makes me reconsider my opinion on it. It's a classic. I used to like it! Now it makes me think of bad Gordon Beckham at-bats, and I don't want to think about bad Gordon Beckham at-bats...or Gordon Beckham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 QUOTE (Señor Ding-Dong @ Mar 18, 2015 -> 12:33 PM) That's a good point that I hadn't considered. If nothing else, Beckham won't cause any problems in the clubhouse and may actually be an asset in that regard. Still, given we're in win-now mode, I say to hell with Sanchez and/or Saladino's long-term development and go with one of them over Beckham if they're indeed better (which I believe they are). Their ceilings appear to be nothing more than backup utility infielders anyway. Sanchez could possibly be an average or so starter at 2B if everything goes right. If they are truly in win now mode as you say then the last thing you want are unproven rookies as backups. You have now idea what you will get. With a veteran like Beckham you know what you will get. It's not much but you know what is limitations are. With the rookies and lesser talented rookies at that (ceilings of utility) the sox know they will have rookie struggles as well as difficulties adjusting to bench play. Beckham will not have these issues. If they want to win now the Sox aren't going to risk rookie struggles during the season. Both rookies may end of being better than Beckham but they don't want to take a chance this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Mar 18, 2015 -> 01:26 PM) Yet they felt the need to bring him back after shipping him off. Just accept it was a failed draft pick and move on. He's gonna start moving into Roberto Alomar territory. KW always gets his man. I think it's the poster's on this board who can't move on. The Sox know he can be a decent bench player and brought him back. The posters here remember his failure as a top draft pick and can't accept that he could be a decent bench player. Now if he becomes a starter then feel free to rip away. Everyone knows he shouldn't be in that role, hopefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor Ding-Dong Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 18, 2015 -> 02:09 PM) I used to like it! Now it makes me think of bad Gordon Beckham at-bats, and I don't want to think about bad Gordon Beckham at-bats...or Gordon Beckham. It makes me think about Gordon using my love tonight, which is deeply disturbing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 QUOTE (Señor Ding-Dong @ Mar 16, 2015 -> 03:06 PM) I think we'll see him in a Sox uni at some point this year. I honestly think he's our best option now for 4th/5th OF. He has never manage to hit well at AA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Mar 18, 2015 -> 07:06 PM) That song is the best thing about his signing and makes me reconsider my opinion on it. It's a classic. what is the song??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 QUOTE (ptatc @ Mar 18, 2015 -> 01:15 PM) If they are truly in win now mode as you say then the last thing you want are unproven rookies as backups. You have now idea what you will get. With a veteran like Beckham you know what you will get. It's not much but you know what is limitations are. With the rookies and lesser talented rookies at that (ceilings of utility) the sox know they will have rookie struggles as well as difficulties adjusting to bench play. Beckham will not have these issues. If they want to win now the Sox aren't going to risk rookie struggles during the season. Both rookies may end of being better than Beckham but they don't want to take a chance this year. I respectfully disagree. What you know you're getting from Beckham isn't enough, imo, to justify the roster position. The ceiling of Saladino in particular, as a utility player, is higher than Gordo's. If RH's endorsement is to be believed, he's better and more versatile defensively. He's better suited to plug weakness vs. left-handed pitching. He likely has more power, because all of GB's seems to have vanished. He's probably a touch faster. He'll be 26 years old in July - he looks ready. Outside of concern for his injury situation, and GB's under-contract presence, I would really liked to have seen him get his first chance now. But it's no biggie. Gordon could conceivably be decent in the role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted March 18, 2015 Author Share Posted March 18, 2015 Wouldn't you know it? All of this "ragging" on Beckham, and then he has a day like today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Mar 18, 2015 -> 05:46 PM) what is the song??? can't tell if sarcastic but your love, the outfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Mar 18, 2015 -> 05:46 PM) what is the song??? Josie's on a vacation far away!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) You can go ahead and ink in Soto for the backup spot barring an injury: "Obviously, Soto [.318) has swung the bat well, the pitchers are enjoying throwing to him and how he’s calling the game,” general manager Rick Hahn said Wednesday. Seems my fears about his arm and it pissing off the staff are overblown. Honestly I think Flowers has to be feeling some heat, especially given Hahn's comments today after the game. It's a "hey, you're the starter, but that can change" message and I'm all for it. Soto is no great shakes, but neither is Tyler. If the Sox can catch some lighting in a bottle, excellent. Edited March 19, 2015 by chitownsportsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Mar 19, 2015 -> 02:25 AM) Josie's on a vacation far away!!!! ok, thanks i just google it. ok, yeah, it is an oldie, i think, i just don't know about it. for baseball or any sports event. i just don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Mar 18, 2015 -> 12:06 PM) That song is the best thing about his signing and makes me reconsider my opinion on it. It's a classic. My ipod has almost 4000 songs on it and that isn't one of them . Of course I'm also old and picking from about 50 years of rock music. And my musical taste is all over the place from Abba to the Sex Pistols . Sorry rap fans can't stand it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Mar 18, 2015 -> 09:52 PM) My ipod has almost 4000 songs on it and that isn't one of them . Of course I'm also old and picking from about 50 years of rock music. And my musical taste is all over the place from Abba to the Sex Pistols . Sorry rap fans can't stand it It's not rap. It's awful 80's bubblegum pop. By a band from the UK called the Ballboys but changed the name to Outfield for the US. your list is limited by the way. It should go from ABBA to Zappa. No music collection should be complete without some Mothers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (ptatc @ Mar 18, 2015 -> 08:06 PM) It's not rap. It's awful 80's bubblegum pop. By a band from the UK called the Ballboys but changed the name to Outfield for the US. your list is limited by the way. It should go from ABBA to Zappa. No music collection should be complete without some Mothers! Oh come now ptatc do you really think a guy like me wouldn't know the Outfield isn't rap ? I was just stating that my musical tastes do not include rap when I know a lot of the younger folks on here like it. And saying Abba to Sex Pistols was not an alphabetical list it was variance of musical styling, that soft rock pure pop eurobeat to the maniacally ear pounding anti-establishment declaration of war that scream F you at everything punk rock. Sorry my friend no Zappa but I do have ZZ Top , The Zombies and Zager and Evans . oops left out Warren Zevon . My ipod lists it under W. Edited March 19, 2015 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 18, 2015 -> 09:05 AM) Paulino had upside, but Beckham has none. That just isn't accurate. The fact is the White Sox have brought loads of bench players from other teams in the past 10 years and they have been awful, even if Soxtalk favorites. Cintron and Mackowiak right away. I know, they sucked, but the argument will be they had upside. Who cares about upside if it isn't coming out. Gordon Beckham has as much upside as any of these dopes brought in over the past years: Cintron Mackowiak Erstad Richar Toby Hall Kotsay Nix Lillibridge Castro Teahen Milledge O-Dog Hudson Fukudome Olmed Tyler Greene Casper Wells Tekotte Of all the guys they brought in, the one guy that worked out OK was Omar Vizquel. Yet none of them get the mention Beckham does if he goes 0-2 in a game the first couple weeks of spring training. Please - Mack and Cintron had no upside. They were utility players. The only ones with upside were Richar (who was acquired to be a starting 2B - we gave away what was a top prospect for him) and Millege, who was a failed prospect but still had a chance. (while we failed on Millege, we succeeded with De Aza). the others were bench players or just plain bad. What this list shows is the Sox enduring love for bad veterans and the Sox preference of (or is it bias toward) proven mediocrity or worse over young players with upside. See Wise over and over again. And, frankly, there's a lot of love for the mediocre veteran on this board as well. Edited March 19, 2015 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted March 19, 2015 Author Share Posted March 19, 2015 After yesterday's performance, I was looking for the inevitable piece on "Beckham Makes Adjustments", and saw this: http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/113...wing-adjustment So, does anyone have an idea what the mysterious "swing adjustment" might be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 QUOTE (Lillian @ Mar 19, 2015 -> 11:40 AM) After yesterday's performance, I was looking for the inevitable piece on "Beckham Makes Adjustments", and saw this: http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/113...wing-adjustment So, does anyone have an idea what the mysterious "swing adjustment" might be? probably the same thing they have been working on for 6 years, the hitch in his swing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted March 19, 2015 Author Share Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) I'd love to see some video of his 3 hits in yesterday's game. I'm curious to see if his swing was really any different. As long as he has been struggling, in his career, wouldn't you think that he would have changed his swing, a long time ago? Edited March 19, 2015 by Lillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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