caulfield12 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 http://news.yahoo.com/virginia-gov-calls-i...-205040028.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 So the story says he tried to pull away from the officer (resisted) and when tried escaping they tackled him, causing him to hit his face/head on the ground. If that is what happened, not sure I see the big deal. of course, not sure what facts are facts since of course the first thing brought up is race. Not that he was breaking the law, not that he tried to resist the police and tried to escape, but race. Now if there are more facts, or at least pictures of the cops doing some 'extra curricular' stuff, then we revisit this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Hard to say if what happened was over the line or not. One thing I do think was interesting from the article, is that these cops were in streets with neck chain badges. I think we've gone too far that direction with police. If you are patrolling or responding to calls in a public area like that, you should be in full uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Tough to tell what happened, especially at the beginning of the encounter. They were obviously overzealous in the way they were holding him to the ground and such, but I've come to expect that sort of thing and it alone isn't especially newsworthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Mar 18, 2015 -> 11:25 PM) So the story says he tried to pull away from the officer (resisted) and when tried escaping they tackled him, causing him to hit his face/head on the ground. If that is what happened, not sure I see the big deal. of course, not sure what facts are facts since of course the first thing brought up is race. Not that he was breaking the law, not that he tried to resist the police and tried to escape, but race. Now if there are more facts, or at least pictures of the cops doing some 'extra curricular' stuff, then we revisit this. Just to be clear, the Yahoo story doesn't say that he tried to "escape." It doesn't say that he tried to run from the police officers. The story says "Johnson asked the ABC officer to let go of his arm and tried pulling away from the officer." Furthermore, according to the article he wasn't charged with resisting arrest, apparently a different charge under VA law (resisting requires fleeing). Drunk college kid tries to pull his arm away from the alcohol cops, gets tackled and ends up with a head injury. IF the facts are as the Yahoo article posted above lays out, that looks bad on the part of the officers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Arresting someone isn't always easy. I hope the solution is somewhere fair to everyone. Perhaps some citizens training on placing your hands on top of your head and following directions combined with don't abuse the citizens for the police. I would assume that once the decision is made to cuff someone each second after that becomes more stressful for the officers. I don't see much value in standing there arguing with someone for five minutes to put the cuffs on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I'll reserve judgement AND comment until all the facts are known. I know, I must be f***ing crazy to not jump to a conclusion based on crack American media reporting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elwood5892 Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Yeah if you're pulling away from an officer who is attempting to stop you then you are an active resistor and you will be put to the ground. Another case of the media drumming up the anti-police rhetoric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 One odd aspect of this case: the arresting officers are from Virginia's Department of Alcohol Control. Apparently these folks just stand outside bars in college towns like this and try to catch people being turned away at the door. A couple years ago they made headlines for pulling a gun on a girl who had sparkling water that officers thought was beer. http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/03/1...artese-johnson/ The victim/suspect is claiming that he was not in possession of a fake ID. He says that he was asked for his home ZIP code by a bar employee, so he provided his mother's current ZIP. This did not match the ZIP on his ID, which does not have the same address as his mother's current address. His ID was an Illinois one, which is where he and mother are from, which is probably what roused suspicion in the first place. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/19/m..._n_6906044.html With that said, I don't believe he is 21 and he was standing outside of the bar at 12:30 AM. On the other hand, it is very close to the school. Tough to say exactly what was going on - it always is. What I haven't heard much about is eyewitness testimony. There were certainly people there, you can see all kinds of people walking by in the video. Someone not directly involved must have seen the way things progressed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 I loved working the door at a club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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