southsider2k5 Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 25, 2015 -> 08:04 PM) And it seems only about 3% off to Forbes too. I rounded up from $975 million... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 25, 2015 -> 07:29 PM) I rounded up from $975 million... They seemed like a pretty affordable investment until you just did that. :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) There are huge falloffs after the Cubs at 5 and White Sox at 15 to the next tiers...Royals still trapped in the bottom 4 despite their World Series appearance. Tigers, Phillies (a TON of money), Dodgers, Blue Jays, D-Backs....losing money. Yankees only at +$8.1 million. Royals and Twins did pretty well financially. Edited March 26, 2015 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 26, 2015 -> 02:25 AM) There are huge falloffs after the Cubs at 5 and White Sox at 15 to the next tiers...Royals still trapped in the bottom 4 despite their World Series appearance. Tigers, Phillies (a TON of money), Dodgers, Blue Jays, D-Backs....losing money. Yankees only at +$8.1 million. Royals and Twins did pretty well financially. excellent info. question, with the sox at 15, is that good or bad?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 25, 2015 -> 07:57 PM) That was me... and, yes, you're right, finding or placing the exact value of the Comcast deal is BEYOND tricky, because there are two entities that are separate (Bulls and Sox) with the same owner. So that's 40%, 20% to Cubs, 20% Blackhawks and 20% Comcast Company if I remember correctly.. The sox own 20% of CSN-Chicago. The Bulls stake is a separate ownership group. They do, however, have the right to buy the Cubs' stake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Mar 25, 2015 -> 11:06 PM) The sox own 20% of CSN-Chicago. The Bulls stake is a separate ownership group. They do, however, have the right to buy the Cubs' stake. Which definitely will happen in that 2018-2019 time frame as the Cubs branch off with their own RSN. http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12557231&...egoryid=2521705 Is Forbes overvaluing MLB teams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 26, 2015 -> 08:22 AM) Which definitely will happen in that 2018-2019 time frame as the Cubs branch off with their own RSN. http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12557231&...egoryid=2521705 Is Forbes overvaluing MLB teams? yea, between now and then, the sox really need to do a lot in order to win over some of those fans that are fair weather fans. when they get their own media outlet, with their fans support, they will do extremely well. as much as i hate to admit it, and believe me, it PAINS me to say this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Other point: White Sox made $31 million last year. 2015 opening day payroll is listed as $21 million above 2014 opening day payroll. If the White Sox want to keep Samardzija next year without moving salaries, they'll need to have revenues improve by $10 million or more without new TV money appearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 26, 2015 -> 03:50 PM) Other point: White Sox made $31 million last year. 2015 opening day payroll is listed as $21 million above 2014 opening day payroll. If the White Sox want to keep Samardzija next year without moving salaries, they'll need to have revenues improve by $10 million or more without new TV money appearing. Not quite that simple because you've got lots of salaries that are a little higher next year, be it Duke at an additional half million or Sale at an additional 3.2. But for the record, $10M more over the course of 81 games would require about 5,000 more fans per game at $25 per ticket. No idea how close that actual average is to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 26, 2015 -> 08:50 PM) Other point: White Sox made $31 million last year. 2015 opening day payroll is listed as $21 million above 2014 opening day payroll. If the White Sox want to keep Samardzija next year without moving salaries, they'll need to have revenues improve by $10 million or more without new TV money appearing. Jeff wants what the going market is going to be for him, and ok, fine. but with the money example, nice work. the only thing i would like to add is, this yr, sox make the playoff and further, for a visual reference, i will look at the sox history of 2005 and 06 for an idea of fans and increase revenue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Jumped from 2.34 million to 2.957 in 2006. 27% increase, roughly....let's just say 1/4 or 25% because a second World Series title in 2015 wouldn't provide the same net bump the first one did a decade ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 26, 2015 -> 10:59 PM) Jumped from 2.34 million to 2.957 in 2006. 27% increase, roughly....let's just say 1/4 or 25% because a second World Series title in 2015 wouldn't provide the same net bump the first one did a decade ago. nice work, but i would like to disagree, only b/c look at the season tickets being sold last yr and all the new season ticket this yr, let alone more fans buying tickets. the other thing i would like to mention, and i know this sounds or may sound lame, stupid, but if this team, with the addition of the new players, the team may actually have that special something that fan want to go and see them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Mar 26, 2015 -> 07:22 PM) nice work, but i would like to disagree, only b/c look at the season tickets being sold last yr and all the new season ticket this yr, let alone more fans buying tickets. the other thing i would like to mention, and i know this sounds or may sound lame, stupid, but if this team, with the addition of the new players, the team may actually have that special something that fan want to go and see them. That's kind of the point. Now they need to *not* go out and wind up doing 2013. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 27, 2015 -> 12:50 AM) That's kind of the point. Now they need to *not* go out and wind up doing 2013. crap, i am serious in this, i never really thought of that, never, since spring training started. i am kinda of stunned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 let me say it this way, either way, the stats in which the Forbes uses, will still show an improvement in fan attendance regardless of the win-lost record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Mar 26, 2015 -> 08:08 PM) let me say it this way, either way, the stats in which the Forbes uses, will still show an improvement in fan attendance regardless of the win-lost record. Possibly because the Sox could be signing advertising contracts for the season during the offseason based on interest levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 27, 2015 -> 02:08 AM) Possibly because the Sox could be signing advertising contracts for the season during the offseason based on interest levels. i never thought of that, quite possibly true. however, i would like to think the real reason, the sox spent money and went out and totally revamp the whole lineup and roster. improving the product that will take the field. another thing which is more obvious is Jose A. now if they can create some really great commercials. Edited March 27, 2015 by LDF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Mar 26, 2015 -> 09:19 PM) i never thought of that, quite possibly true. however, i would like to think the real reason, the sox spent money and went out and totally revamp the whole lineup and roster. improving the product that will take the field. another thing which is more obvious is Jose A. now if they can create some really great commercials. Sox fans=Not fooled by snazzy marketing campaigns One thing matters. First place, and looking like you can make a legit run into the post-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 27, 2015 -> 04:28 AM) Sox fans=Not fooled by snazzy marketing campaigns One thing matters. First place, and looking like you can make a legit run into the post-season. but i keying on those fair weather fans, those fans that sit on the post. the real fans, as you said, will not need any fancy crap to entice them to come out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 2, 2015 Author Share Posted April 2, 2015 Chris Rongey @ChrisRongey 3m3 minutes ago The @whitesox will have the 4th largest MLB payroll increase from '14 to now: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 26, 2015 -> 10:28 PM) Sox fans=Not fooled by snazzy marketing campaigns One thing matters. First place, and looking like you can make a legit run into the post-season. Didn't work in 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 ahhh but the real die hard sox fans, those that stayed loyal thru the lean yrs, those who are itching for the season to start, b/c of this team that the org assemble. they will come, and when the excitement begins b/c of the winning of those games, the domino effect will happen. > recipe for a great season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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