LDF Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Apr 14, 2015 -> 07:36 PM) They argued in the dugout and had to be seperated. It wasnt something that happened often, I can only recall the one time. Pretty sure Bo had to stop Frank from destroying Robin i am pretty sure that is the story i remember. i also heard that there were some heated discussion in the clubhouse, but all that was heresay. many thanks Kyyie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 14, 2015 -> 07:42 PM) I don't think Ventura or Guillen had it "tougher" because of how they were treated. Guillen made things tougher for himself because he didn't know when to shut his mouth. Ventura makes things tougher for himself because he doesn't entertain the media the way Ozzie did. If anything, the Chicago media is soft when compared to places like NY. it isn't a coincidence that the Chicago media is usually the last to break a baseball story in Chicago. nice point, i never thought of it like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/...test-big-gamble Interesting story describing all of Ventura's qualities to be a good manager (eventually) upon his hiring. No anecdote about how he had all the character/leadership and IQ points to "make a great general" like we saw a few times thrown out to the media at that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 14, 2015 -> 05:28 PM) Then. Stop. Losing. Baseball. Games. Great point. The best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 If Ned Yost is such a terrible manager, how can he get the Royals to play so fundamentally sound that they've won 24 of their last 27 (when not facing Bumgarner) games dating back to last season? And some were picking them fourth? Hmmm...not so fast. Zero confidence Ventura is the right guy to lead this team anywhere but third or fourth place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 02:21 PM) If Ned Yost is such a terrible manager, how can he get the Royals to play so fundamentally sound that they've won 24 of their last 27 (when not facing Bumgarner) games dating back to last season? And some were picking them fourth? Hmmm...not so fast. Zero confidence Ventura is the right guy to lead this team anywhere but third or fourth place. Yost is an awful tactician but his guys play sharp. Robin is an awful tactician and his guys' play is about as sharp as those disposable razors they give away at the Hotel front desk. Most manager's have good and bad traits. The only, honest to goodness trait I see in Robin is ability to handle the media. And of course, when you're expected to contend and this is what we see the first week even that is going to get a helluva lot harder. I hope he gets grilled over that bunt. Grill him. Edited April 15, 2015 by chitownsportsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 (edited) And Greg is always bored with how he handles the media and throws out a barrel full of fun Bull Durham-esque baseball cliches. Yost also has a very sharp and effective coaching staff, particularly (and ironically) Rusty Kuntz for baserunning and OF defense. Edited April 15, 2015 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 I can't see anything happen to Robin during the season, but if they end up under .500 with a healthy team, Hahn needs to hire his own manager. Plenty of time to get this season on track, but they need to play smarter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 01:21 PM) Zero confidence Ventura is the right guy to lead this team anywhere but third or fourth place. Absolutely. Dude's in over his head. Pretty much gets all the details wrong. The necessary change won't be forthcoming anytime soon. A few too many years of Ozzie made the FO a little nuts with the manager's role. I think they're still just happy to be working with someone that they like. Need to aim higher, and outside the "family " preferably. Won't happen til 2017 earliest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpd9189 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 I don't see anything happening to Robin unless the team starts something like 8-20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 02:42 PM) Absolutely. Dude's in over his head. Pretty much gets all the details wrong. The necessary change won't be forthcoming anytime soon. A few too many years of Ozzie made the FO a little nuts with the manager's role. I think they're still just happy to be working with someone that they like. Need to aim higher, and outside the "family " preferably. Won't happen til 2017 earliest. Can anyone at any time in history point out a manager who was hired with zero experience, who had a record as poor as Robin's over the first four years -- and THEN was extended? JR's loyalty is insane man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 02:45 PM) Can anyone at any time in history point out a manager who was hired with zero experience, who had a record as poor as Robin's over the first four years -- and THEN was extended? JR's loyalty is insane man. Joe Torre. He's now in the Hall of Fame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 08:30 PM) Yost is an awful tactician but his guys play sharp. Robin is an awful tactician and his guys' play is about as sharp as those disposable razors they give away at the Hotel front desk. Most manager's have good and bad traits. The only, honest to goodness trait I see in Robin is ability to handle the media. And of course, when you're expected to contend and this is what we see the first week even that is going to get a helluva lot harder. I hope he gets grilled over that bunt. Grill him. I get a kick out of the Yost criticism which pretty much stems from the fact he calls for the bunt a lot, or at least did last year. I mean, critics should say that's why they hate him. He utilizes the bunt and the average fan hates the bunt. But I don't think he's the buffoon people portray him to be. He's the guy who created the Herrara-Davis-Holland trio to close games and his team is very crisp. I guess his GM got him players who can field, but the Royals look professional when they play if that's the right word. Sox often look like a bunch of airheads. I don't get the Yost criticism, but he gets it in KC, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 And Tony LaRussa was fired by the Sox with a MUCH better MLB managerial record. Brought into the organization to coach with minimal coaching experience. Also, a Hall of Fame manager....yet Robin deserves more rope than Tony? WHY?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 01:45 PM) JR's loyalty is insane man. It's a two edged sword to be sure. It helps keep guys you want to stay with the org, like Hahn, but keeps guys you wouldn't mind leaving behind in too important positions, and creates an atmosphere where necessary changes are made more difficult. If RV, Buddy Bell or Brooks Boyer were made available to the other 29 teams, would anyone hire them at their current levels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 01:56 PM) It's a two edged sword to be sure. It helps keep guys you want to stay with the org, like Hahn, but keeps guys you wouldn't mind leaving behind in too important positions, and creates an atmosphere where necessary changes are made more difficult. If RV, Buddy Bell or Brooks Boyer were made available to the other 29 teams, would anyone hire them at their current levels? Maybe for Bell, but not that same position/level of authority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 02:56 PM) It's a two edged sword to be sure. It helps keep guys you want to stay with the org, like Hahn, but keeps guys you wouldn't mind leaving behind in too important positions, and creates an atmosphere where necessary changes are made more difficult. If RV, Buddy Bell or Brooks Boyer were made available to the other 29 teams, would anyone hire them at their current levels? To say those guys wouldn't be hired is just saying it. Greg Walker got a job in about 5 minutes after resigning from the White Sox. He, according to this board would never get a job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 04:08 PM) To say those guys wouldn't be hired is just saying it. Greg Walker got a job in about 5 minutes after resigning from the White Sox. He, according to this board would never get a job. Where's he at today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 03:14 PM) Where's he at today? Retired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 02:08 PM) To say those guys wouldn't be hired is just saying it. Greg Walker got a job in about 5 minutes after resigning from the White Sox. He, according to this board would never get a job. Well, you're probably right here. Guys who've been around awhile tend to have a lot of pals and get several chances in such an incestuous business. Deserved or otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 04:16 PM) Retired. A guy resigns so that he won't be fired, no one else will hire him, and you call that retired. Ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 03:16 PM) Well, you're probably right here. Guys who've been around awhile tend to have a lot of pals and get several chances in such an incestuous business. Deserved or otherwise. Maybe, or perhaps fans perception, especially White Sox fans who seem to store up frustration all winter to take out the first mistake of the season, is just wrong. I don't think Buddy Bell knows what he is doing myself, but I am damn sure if the White Sox sent him packing, he would find a job somewhere if he wanted. I don't know what everyone has against Brooks Boyer, but I go to the park as much as most, and I think it's a good time. And despite all the frothing at the mouth about Robin on here, I am pretty sure he is highly respected around baseball. To say Robin has cost this team wins this year is crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 08:21 PM) Maybe, or perhaps fans perception, especially White Sox fans who seem to store up frustration all winter to take out the first mistake of the season, is just wrong. I don't think Buddy Bell knows what he is doing myself, but I am damn sure if the White Sox sent him packing, he would find a job somewhere if he wanted. I don't know what everyone has against Brooks Boyer, but I go to the park as much as most, and I think it's a good time. And despite all the frothing at the mouth about Robin on here, I am pretty sure he is highly respected around baseball. To say Robin has cost this team wins this year is crazy. Today was the first game that I really think his poor choices made an impact on the outcome. With that said, if this team keeps executing as poorly as they have, I'm sure he'll be let go after the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 04:22 PM) Today was the first game that I really think his poor choices made an impact on the outcome. With that said, if this team keeps executing as poorly as they have, I'm sure he'll be let go after the season. Again to note...the bolded continues to be the short definition of the last 3 years of the Robin Ventura era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Sorry if it was posted, how many years left does robin have on his contract? IMO, the sox will never fire him but I could see them not renewing his contract when it's up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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