Balta1701 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 04:24 PM) Sorry if it was posted, how many years left does robin have on his contract? IMO, the sox will never fire him but I could see them not renewing his contract when it's up IIRC we were never told. We knew he originally had a 3 year deal but then we were told after year 2 he signed a "contract extension" but the length was never given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 08:24 PM) Again to note...the bolded continues to be the short definition of the last 3 years of the Robin Ventura era. So far, this season has been the worst in terms of sloppiness. Even in the 3 games they've won, they played sloppy in those (especially in the last two wins). Ironically, Avi and Melky have been the most consistent fielders on this team. Edited April 15, 2015 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 04:26 PM) So far, this season has been the worst in terms of sloppiness. Even in the 3 games they've won, they played sloppy in those (especially in the last two wins). Disagree on the grounds that I watched 2013. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 03:24 PM) Again to note...the bolded continues to be the short definition of the last 3 years of the Robin Ventura era. Lack of talent has also been a definition. As for the defense, we all knew this wasn't going to be a particularly good defensive team. I don't know why it's Robin's fault Micah is shaky at 2b, Gillaspie is bad at 3b, Abreu isn't a GGer, Avi still takes bad routes, and the catchers aren't stellar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 03:30 PM) Lack of talent has also been a definition. As for the defense, we all knew this wasn't going to be a particularly good defensive team. I don't know why it's Robin's fault Micah is shaky at 2b, Gillaspie is bad at 3b, Abreu isn't a GGer, Avi still takes bad routes, and the catchers aren't stellar. So in other words, the Sox are short on talent and it was a waste of time trading for Samardzija, and signing Cabrera and Robertson. Great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 04:32 PM) So in other words, the Sox are short on talent and it was a waste of time trading for Samardzija, and signing Cabrera and Robertson. Great. Talent has little to do with many of the errors we've seen today and over Robin's tenure. The players come and go, the mistakes are mostly the same -- mental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 02:42 PM) Absolutely. Dude's in over his head. Pretty much gets all the details wrong. The necessary change won't be forthcoming anytime soon. A few too many years of Ozzie made the FO a little nuts with the manager's role. I think they're still just happy to be working with someone that they like. Need to aim higher, and outside the "family " preferably. Won't happen til 2017 earliest. About that time Paul Konerko should be ready for his next job... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Now Dick Allen knows how I felt during the Ozzie era. I felt like I was the only true Ozzie supporter. Dick is pretty much the only Robin supporter. I could go either way on Robin but it's pretty obvious he's just another guy at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulokis Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Lets do a Dennis Savard to Robin Ventura, we are planning to compete so get a manager with good winning history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 03:32 PM) So in other words, the Sox are short on talent and it was a waste of time trading for Samardzija, and signing Cabrera and Robertson. Great. The defense is not talented. That isn't because of Robin Ventura. Bad at 3B, shaky at 1B and 2B, shaky in LF, and not so good in RF, and that is not even mentioning the catcher. And when Beckham , ome of the better defenders on the team gets in the game, everyone gets pissed off. In 2013 and 2014, the White Sox lacked talent. You can win with bad defense. The 1977 Southside Hitmen won 90 games with perhaps one of the worst major league defenses ever assembled. But to be surprised, or say the sloppy defense is on Robin is not payimg attention. The defense was discussed a lot on the board this past winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 02:19 PM) A guy resigns so that he won't be fired, no one else will hire him, and you call that retired. Ok. DA is nothing if not a tireless publicist. I'd hire him if I ever needed one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 03:19 PM) A guy resigns so that he won't be fired, no one else will hire him, and you call that retired. Ok. He lives in Georgia, the Braves job was the only one he would take after he left the White Sox and the White Sox didn't want him to leave. It is easy to say no one would hire him, but when that was said before, one of the better organizations in baesball hired him, so that assumption was wrong, and you offer nothing to say it is now correct. So yeah, OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 05:53 PM) He lives in Georgia, the Braves job was the only one he would take after he left the White Sox and the White Sox didn't want him to leave. It is easy to say no one would hire him, but when that was said before, one of the better organizations in baesball hired him, so that assumption was wrong, and you offer nothing to say it is now correct. So yeah, OK. I don't want you to leave either, but I'm sorry you're fired, you can't come back here either. I'm nice like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 04:56 PM) I don't want you to leave either, but I'm sorry you're fired, you can't come back here either. I'm nice like that. You may want to look that one up. He left on his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 05:58 PM) You may want to look that one up. He left on his own. Sounds like an even better plan and I support it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 05:00 PM) Sounds like an even better plan and I support it. I quess the truth is something you ignore when it makes you wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 06:03 PM) I quess the truth is something you ignore when it makes you wrong. You're right, both of Greg Walker's removals were resignations before he was going to be fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 05:09 PM) You're right, both of Greg Walker's removals were resignations before he was going to be fired. No. Look up his White Sox resignation. And why did you delete your post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 It's not even a lack of talent that is costing us defensively. This isn't a guy not getting to a ball he should have. These are fundamental mistakes that basically every professional ballplayer should be making, and if he isn't making, he can practice making them until he consistently does make them. However, for more than 2 full seasons, our players have not been making them. This extends to situational hitting and base running too. These are not talent issues; these are cultural issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 06:10 PM) No. Look up his White Sox resignation. And why did you delete your post? Because I decided it wasn't appropriate and decided to change what I'd said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Unfortunately, he took out Gordo's father-in-law and Sox "nickname" legend as well... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Fletcher_(baseball) Nice to retire in your mid fifties. Ask Ozzie's wife and kids! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 06:10 PM) No. Look up his White Sox resignation. For the White Sox resignation it doesn't sound like they worked that hard to keep him. They kept other coaches and let him Walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 05:11 PM) It's not even a lack of talent that is costing us defensively. This isn't a guy not getting to a ball he should have. These are fundamental mistakes that basically every professional ballplayer should be making, and if he isn't making, he can practice making them until he consistently does make them. However, for more than 2 full seasons, our players have not been making them. This extends to situational hitting and base running too. These are not talent issues; these are cultural issues. Sticky this post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 04:11 PM) It's not even a lack of talent that is costing us defensively. This isn't a guy not getting to a ball he should have. These are fundamental mistakes that basically every professional ballplayer should be making, and if he isn't making, he can practice making them until he consistently does make them. However, for more than 2 full seasons, our players have not been making them. This extends to situational hitting and base running too. These are not talent issues; these are cultural issues. Let's just call it "organizational tone/culture/expectations." Basically, we are the anti-2002-04/06/10 Twins, Cardinals' Nation. We are defined by mediocrity, slow starts, lumbering power hitters, poor drafting/inability to develop position players andor hitters, and less than impressive large market 2nd and 3rd place finishes to inferior markets when we should have a huge built-in advantage. Only redemption was 2005.... Blip on the radar or anomaly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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