southsider2k5 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 South Side Sox @SouthSideSox 1m1 minute ago White Sox relievers have now struck out the side in 1-2-3 innings twice as many times as they did all of last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 I heard an analyst on the score last night say he has stuff so good it's like a video game. I hadn't seen anything like his stuff the game before last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyGillis Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I always thought Robertson was really good. What amazes me is Zach Duke turning into a quality reliever after being somewhere between a stiff and mediocre for 8 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 QUOTE (OnlyGillis @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 11:14 PM) I always thought Robertson was really good. What amazes me is Zach Duke turning into a quality reliever after being somewhere between a stiff and mediocre for 8 years. He did an amazing job re-inventing himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 01:12 PM) South Side Sox @SouthSideSox 1m1 minute ago White Sox relievers have now struck out the side in 1-2-3 innings twice as many times as they did all of last year. Sometimes I think having a guy like that makes the others better just be presence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmartija Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 he is no Aroldis Chapman, but he'll do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 QUOTE (shipps @ Apr 15, 2015 -> 09:40 AM) Why didnt the Yankees keep him? It seems like he would have been the perfect transition into another good run of a closer post-Rivera. Because most of the analytics out there will tell you that a closer can be found anywhere and aren't really all that important. They have the least effect on winning because they don't pitch very much. He shouldn't be pitch the 9th inning anyway because that is not the most leveraged situation in the game. He is really being used improperly this season. (I don't really need to add the green do I?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 QUOTE (ptatc @ Apr 17, 2015 -> 11:30 AM) Because most of the analytics out there will tell you that a closer can be found anywhere and aren't really all that important. They have the least effect on winning because they don't pitch very much. He shouldn't be pitch the 9th inning anyway because that is not the most leveraged situation in the game. He is really being used improperly this season. (I don't really need to add the green do I?) So old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Apr 17, 2015 -> 01:46 PM) So old. I know I am. I think that is sone of the issue. On a serious note, you won't be saying that when reliivers are failing and these stats come out again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 QUOTE (ptatc @ Apr 17, 2015 -> 03:22 PM) I know I am. I think that is sone of the issue. On a serious note, you won't be saying that when reliivers are failing and these stats come out again. I won't because I'll actually clarify. No one says relievers don't matter. They DO say that reliever performance is volatile and therefore money can be invested more safely in other areas. That's a huge difference. What's old is people making blanket criticisms based on incorrect information. Don't accuse me of flip-flopping. I'm always open to changing my opinion based on new information and will always admit when I'm wrong, but I don't have any sort of agenda beyond trying to be correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Robo is good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Apr 17, 2015 -> 04:43 PM) I won't because I'll actually clarify. No one says relievers don't matter. They DO say that reliever performance is volatile and therefore money can be invested more safely in other areas. That's a huge difference. What's old is people making blanket criticisms based on incorrect information. Don't accuse me of flip-flopping. I'm always open to changing my opinion based on new information and will always admit when I'm wrong, but I don't have any sort of agenda beyond trying to be correct. Sorry , I should not have used the term you. I didn't mean you as the person. I meant to use it as a general term for the SABR and analytics that do say this frequently. The group often says that spending a great deal of money on relivers is a poor way to spend money due to their relative lack of importance. They dont effect the game much as they don't throw many innings and using them at the beginning of the 9th is wrong because the true leverage situations happen when someone is on base. If had this very discussion on this board for a decade. Again I apologize as I didn't mean the you as as a person but as the group. I can't remember if you were actually one of the people in those discussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 QUOTE (ptatc @ Apr 18, 2015 -> 06:39 AM) Sorry , I should not have used the term you. I didn't mean you as the person. I meant to use it as a general term for the SABR and analytics that do say this frequently. The group often says that spending a great deal of money on relivers is a poor way to spend money due to their relative lack of importance. They dont effect the game much as they don't throw many innings and using them at the beginning of the 9th is wrong because the true leverage situations happen when someone is on base. If had this very discussion on this board for a decade. Again I apologize as I didn't mean the you as as a person but as the group. I can't remember if you were actually one of the people in those discussions. No big deal, no need to apologize. What I'm trying to clarify is that the reason SABR-ish people don't advocate big money on relievers isn't because of lack of importance, it's because they're very risky assets. The list of relievers that stay good for more than a couple years is really small. Yes, SABR-ish people will always argue that a starter's value is much higher than that of a reliever just based on raw innings, but even fWAR gives credit to relievers for high-leverage situations. That said, I have no problem with the Robertson deal at all, because sometimes you have to take risks if you're going to win. It was such a crazy hole for this team, it jhad to be done. And Hahn earned himself the financial leeway to buy a closer at market rate by already having his core locked up to below-market extensions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 He's so good. Should get even better too, as his ERA is currently under-performing his FIP by 0.39. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Apr 20, 2015 -> 10:16 PM) He's so good. Should get even better too, as his ERA is currently under-performing his FIP by 0.39. That's what happens with a K/9 of 18. For as shaky as he looked in spring, I doubt there's a single reliever in baseball who has looked more dominant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I love how he's pitching, but I just hope it lasts. He did not look anywhere near this good last year, or any other year for that matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Apr 21, 2015 -> 12:53 PM) I love how he's pitching, but I just hope it lasts. He did not look anywhere near this good last year, or any other year for that matter. One year his ERA was 1.08. He has a terrific strikeout per inning rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I'm not worried about Robertson. His command seems excellent. That will always be a big plus for him as our closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 21, 2015 -> 01:09 PM) One year his ERA was 1.08. He has a terrific strikeout per inning rate. His career K/9 is second highest all time for pitchers with more than 300 innings pitched. Edited April 21, 2015 by lasttriptotulsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Apr 21, 2015 -> 01:22 PM) His career K/9 is second lowest all time for pitchers with more than 300 innings pitched. Don't you mean second highest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Apr 21, 2015 -> 01:27 PM) Don't you mean second highest? Doh! Of course I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Apr 21, 2015 -> 11:53 AM) I love how he's pitching, but I just hope it lasts. He did not look anywhere near this good last year, or any other year for that matter. Only in the sense that NO ONE has ever looked this good over the course of an entire season. Robertson has been a top 5 reliever in the MLB for years now, plenty of precedent that this is for real. The question is when will it decay (which is a legit question), but not "is it true talent"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Apr 21, 2015 -> 01:34 PM) Robertson has been a top 5 reliever in the MLB for years now, plenty of precedent that this is for real. The question is when will it decay (which is a legit question), but not "is it true talent"? I wouldn't say that. Kimbrel, Chapman, Holland, Street, Papelbon, etc... but yes, I know he has true talent, but there's no way he can be this good for the rest of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 I wouldn't say that. Kimbrel, Chapman, Holland, Street, Papelbon, etc... but yes, I know he has true talent, but there's no way he can be this good for the rest of the year. What? You really think he can't go through the entire season with a 0.00 ERA, 0.40 WHIP and 18.0 K/9? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Apr 23, 2015 -> 07:14 AM) What? You really think he can't go through the entire season with a 0.00 ERA, 0.40 WHIP and 18.0 K/9? Ya I'm thinking he ups his k/9 a bit. 18 isn't that great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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