kitekrazy Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Being a fan and watching this organization is not easy either. Baseball is my favorite sport and there is not a close second. After 40+ years of being a Sox fan I not sure I have that kind of endurance any more. In the 80s-90s it seemed there was progression now it's the opposite. Stupid runs deep in this organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Apr 22, 2015 -> 11:37 AM) Cooper is starting to piss me off. Usually when a coach has nothing else he starts using the whole "it's not easy" BS. Another thing is that this was a division game against a rival and a high leverage spot -- a MULLIGAN??? GMAFB. Don't insult our intelligence. Why is Hahn the only person in this org that owns up to mistakes? He owned up to the replay mistake even though he could have easily thrown the guy he didn't hire under the bus. How about Cooper says "you know it was a tough spot and with our other LOOGY option unavailable we did what we had to do. It was a tough spot but we felt it was the best option". I'm not even saying this was a "mistake" but take some of the heat off your players man without resorting to the whole "if it was easy you bums in section 103 would be out here" crap. You'd think with 5k showing up last night the first line of defense wouldn't be "it's hard being a major leaguer". No s***. This is why Cooper in most organization will never be a manager. His attitude is "us vs the fans". He and Ozzie started this even in 2005. When you are bad at baseball don't attack the fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 (edited) that fans are the harshest critics ever with the shortest memory. however sometimes a good coach will willingly become the target for the fans instead of the team and the players. so maybe that was what coop was trying to do, have the fans focus on him. Edited April 22, 2015 by LDF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Did not know Adam Ricks was now our bullpen catcher. Dan Hayes @CSNHayes 18m18 minutes ago Carlos Rodon and bullpen catcher Adam Ricks both talked about the prospect's bullpen session/game. #WhiteSox http://bit.ly/1JcOnxK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Apr 22, 2015 -> 01:55 PM) This is why Cooper in most organization will never be a manager. His attitude is "us vs the fans". He and Ozzie started this even in 2005. When you are bad at baseball don't attack the fans. I believe he has said he doesn't want to due to these reasons. Cooper was bad at baseball a long time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Nobody's going to pay attention to Cooper's surliness because it's his normal modus operandi. You have to drop 77 f-bombs like Price to get any attention these days. And I don't believe Don could survive the media scrutiny that goes with being a big league manager for more than 2-3 weeks (and those would be weeks the White Sox were playing fairly well and he wasn't being second-guessed). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Love me some Flowers now. Man was that a pro move- good leadership. Rodon's sitting on the bench red-faced about letting the club down, and Flowers throws him on his back and carries him up the mountain. That was more for the teammates IMO, setting the tone, he's our boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 QUOTE (Condor13 @ Apr 22, 2015 -> 01:01 PM) Q was turned around, but unless something clicks for him again it's not looked for him this year. What? Like seriously...What? This whole thread makes my head hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-...ady-next-chance Rodon definitely doesn't seem in any way shaken or even slightly disturbed. Confidence, bordering on arrogance, but seems to be in a good way at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 23, 2015 -> 01:44 PM) http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-...ady-next-chance Rodon definitely doesn't seem in any way shaken or even slightly disturbed. Confidence, bordering on arrogance, but seems to be in a good way at the moment. that was what i saw when he was in college. that is what i like. "give me the damn ball and move" Edited April 23, 2015 by LDF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condor13 Posted April 23, 2015 Author Share Posted April 23, 2015 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Apr 23, 2015 -> 09:28 AM) What? Like seriously...What? This whole thread makes my head hurt. This thread definitely went off topic, I meant it to just be about Rodon ML debut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) When you play in the big leagues regardless if it's your first game or your 100th you need to perform. Rodon didn't. It was a learning experience and hopefully he did just that and does better next time. I think that is the bottom line and no excuses are needed. Rodon will establish himself soon as a plus pitcher. Edited April 23, 2015 by elrockinMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Apr 23, 2015 -> 01:44 PM) When you play in the big leagues regardless if it's your first game or your 100th you need to perform. Rodon didn't. It was a learning experience and hopefully he did just that and does better next time. I think that is the bottom line and no excuses are needed. Rodon will establish himself soon as a plus pitcher. Have to disagree here. You can't expect a guy in his debut to have good command, especially when that's his entire MO -- lack of command. Gotta put guys in a position to succeed. That said, the issue was forced because Rodon was the only lefty available and apparently Duke can only pitch in the 7th, 8th and 9th. I'd ask RV to think outside the box some but that's a bridge too far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Apr 23, 2015 -> 06:44 PM) When you play in the big leagues regardless if it's your first game or your 100th you need to perform. Rodon didn't. It was a learning experience and hopefully he did just that and does better next time. I think that is the bottom line and no excuses are needed. Rodon will establish himself soon as a plus pitcher. i totally agree, some could make a point of his salary, not being prepared, or even rushing him. but the bottom line is, players, and yeah even superstar players get all hype up. it all nerves and adrenaline, stuff like this happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) Rodon was set up to succeed. He was sent in to face a LH .150 hitter who is 1-9 with 6 strikeouts vs. LHP. It would be pretty hard to find a more favorable match up. If you look at some of the posts of the people who love to rip Robin after the fact and are ripping this move, you will realize if he stayed with Noesi and Noesi didn't get the out, they would be ripping him for not going with Rodon. There were ZERO complaints about going to Rodon in the gamethread until after the fact. Edited April 23, 2015 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 23, 2015 -> 01:07 PM) Rodon was set up to succeed. He was sent in to face a LH .150 hitter who is 1-9 with 6 strikeouts vs. LHP. It would be pretty hard to find a more favorable match up. If you look at some of the posts of the people who love to rip Robin after the fact and are ripping this move, you will realize if he stayed with Noesi and Noesi didn't get the out, they would be ripping him for not going with Rodon. There were ZERO complaints about going to Rodon in the gamethread until after the fact. I wasn't able to watch that game -- people in the GT were actually upset that Rodon got a relief appearance against a lefty? When Noesi was pitching? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 23, 2015 -> 01:07 PM) Rodon was set up to succeed. He was sent in to face a LH .150 hitter who is 1-9 with 6 strikeouts vs. LHP. It would be pretty hard to find a more favorable match up. If you look at some of the posts of the people who love to rip Robin after the fact and are ripping this move, you will realize if he stayed with Noesi and Noesi didn't get the out, they would be ripping him for not going with Rodon. There were ZERO complaints about going to Rodon in the gamethread until after the fact. Not true, I remember because I responded to a complaint. QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Apr 21, 2015 -> 08:39 PM) Not sure I am a fan of him coming in with runners on in a jam. But here we go! QUOTE (shysocks @ Apr 21, 2015 -> 08:40 PM) Yeah it's definitely unorthodox. QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Apr 21, 2015 -> 08:41 PM) You know he has to have a lot of nerves and his adrenaline is running high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 QUOTE (shysocks @ Apr 23, 2015 -> 01:23 PM) Not true, I remember because I responded to a complaint. I believe the complaints came after his first pitch or 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 23, 2015 -> 01:25 PM) I believe the complaints came after his first pitch or 2. Nah, the string I referenced was before he threw a pitch. I specifically remember. Most of the outrage was hindsight but that was not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 QUOTE (shysocks @ Apr 23, 2015 -> 01:27 PM) Nah, the string I referenced was before he threw a pitch. I specifically remember. Most of the outrage was hindsight but that was not. I just looked it up, there was one that said "I'm not sure I am a fan of Rodon coming in with runners on base". That's not exactly adamant, more like taking both sides. Other than that, everyone was a bit pumped up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (raBBit @ Apr 23, 2015 -> 01:32 PM) BigHurt3513 complains above to absolutely everything though... Lol He also added, But here we go! So it wasn't like he was totally against the idea until it backfired and then the Ha ha, Robin strikes again. You f***ing stupid bastard. He was straddling the fence ready to go either way. Edited April 23, 2015 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 23, 2015 -> 01:34 PM) He also added, But here we go! So it wasn't like he was totally against the idea until it backfired and then the Ha ha, Robin strikes again. You f***ing stupid bastard. He was straddling the fence ready to go either way. I'd interpret the Here We Go as excitement at watching Rodon pitch. Either way, he came out against the decision before anything happened, and his reasoning was pretty accurate. It had to be mentioned in the interest of full disclosure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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