**SPOILER THREAD** GAME OF THRONES ** SPOILER THREAD **

[TaylorStSox]

I think the book readers may have been given a huge spoiler yesterday.

When the Red Priestess stops and stares at Tyrion, there may have been some big foreshadowing. His brother is the Kingslayer. Is he the Queenslayer?

[ChiSox_Sonix]

i think he also feels a lot of guilt. Chances are he knew those people that Ramsay killed, he spent a lot of time with the Starks

 

In the books, they mention that Theon used to have sex with the miller's wife. There is a theory, and the timeline does match up, that at least one of those boys were actually Theon's. It doesn't affect the plot at all, but it would give new meaning to when he is referred to as a 'kin slayer'

 

I think the book readers may have been given a huge spoiler yesterday.

When the Red Priestess stops and stares at Tyrion, there may have been some big foreshadowing. His brother is the Kingslayer. Is he the Queenslayer?

 

I'm not sure what theory you are referencing here??? I didn't understand the stare either but I didn't really take away any significance from it.

[TaylorStSox]

In the books, they mention that Theon used to have sex with the miller's wife. There is a theory, and the timeline does match up, that at least one of those boys were actually Theon's. It doesn't affect the plot at all, but it would give new meaning to when he is referred to as a 'kin slayer'

 

 

 

I'm not sure what theory you are referencing here??? I didn't understand the stare either but I didn't really take away any significance from it.

I'm not mentioning fan fiction theories. The writers do know the endgame though. There's a reason they shot that scene the way they did.

[ChiSox_Sonix]

I'm not mentioning fan fiction theories. The writers do know the endgame though. There's a reason they shot that scene the way they did.

 

I don't disagree, I've been trying to think why they did that myself.

But what makes you think there is a queenslayer angle? I've never even thought about that. If anything, I've just assumed more and more that Tyrion is one of the heads of the dragon and will actually be helping her. He being half-Targ is very plausible.

[TaylorStSox]

I don't disagree, I've been trying to think why they did that myself.

But what makes you think there is a queenslayer angle? I've never even thought about that. If anything, I've just assumed more and more that Tyrion is one of the heads of the dragon and will actually be helping her. He being half-Targ is very plausible.

It's a parallel with his brother. He will become her advisor.

[bigruss]

Starting a new thread that includes SPOILERS, so read with caution.

 

Discuss differences in the show between the book, what you think will happen, or just general questions about characters/plotlines all here.

[bigruss]

Ok so starting the non-spoiler tagged discussion:

 

I don't think Tyrion is going to kill Danaerys nor do I think he is Targaryean. First off, I don't see a connection to being a queenslayer other than Jaime being the Kingslayer, there's nothing to indicate anything other than that.

 

Secondly, someone would have had to deceive Tywin about Tyrion's true father, good luck with that, don't think that's plausible at all.

 

 

 

A couple theories of mine (and feel free to pick these apart):

A common one: John is the offspring of Rhaegar and Lyanna. He's the third heard in the Targaryean dragon (Aegon and Dany are the others).

 

John dies at the end of book 5, but is brought back to life by Melisandre, releasing him from his Night's Watch vows and he does badass things up there. Also, he's Azor Ahai, Melisandre read the fires wrong.

 

My biggest reach one: Victarion comes in to Slaver's Bay with the horn that can control dragons, and with that power combined with a personality similar to Drogo's I think Dany catches onto him and they get married or team up or something.

[ChiSox_Sonix]

Ok so starting the non-spoiler tagged discussion:

 

I don't think Tyrion is going to kill Danaerys nor do I think he is Targaryean. First off, I don't see a connection to being a queenslayer other than Jaime being the Kingslayer, there's nothing to indicate anything other than that.

 

Secondly, someone would have had to deceive Tywin about Tyrion's true father, good luck with that, don't think that's plausible at all.

 

There is a lot of support for it to be possible. I'm not sure I believe it, but there have been hints. Tyrion has mismatched eyes, one of which is the Targaryen violet, his hair is said to be so blonde it was almost white, he has dragon dreams (could even be a warg, as some Targs were). It has also been said that Aerys had long been enamored with Joanna Lannister and he was upset about not having Lord's Right's with her before Tywin wed her. The theory posits that he raped Joanna and Tywin long suspected it. That is why he tells Tyrion he is not his son.

 

A couple theories of mine (and feel free to pick these apart):

A common one: John is the offspring of Rhaegar and Lyanna. He's the third heard in the Targaryean dragon (Aegon and Dany are the others).

 

John dies at the end of book 5, but is brought back to life by Melisandre, releasing him from his Night's Watch vows and he does badass things up there. Also, he's Azor Ahai, Melisandre read the fires wrong.

 

My biggest reach one: Victarion comes in to Slaver's Bay with the horn that can control dragons, and with that power combined with a personality similar to Drogo's I think Dany catches onto him and they get married or team up or something.

 

1) Yes - at this point I'd be shocked if it turned out not to be true.

2) Possibly. I do think there is a good chance he wargs into Ghost before his death, keeping his spirit/soul alive until Melissandre can give his body back the kiss of life. This also relinquishes him from his oath as you said. He very well could be AA, since Melissandre claims to have seen "only Snow" in her fire visions at one point.

3) Not completely a reach IMO. Victarion does have the dragon binder horn. Euron may have found it in Valyria on his travels, but I do think it will come into play. I can see him allying with Dany, especially since he hates his brother, but I do not think they will wed.

[bigruss]

Hmm I didn't remember the Tywin suspecting something happened piece, I'll have to reread a bit on that, good stuff.

 

Stannis just never made sense to me to be Azor Ahai, I really think Melissandre read the fires wrong and she's starting to realize that.

[RockRaines]

Ok so starting the non-spoiler tagged discussion:

 

I don't think Tyrion is going to kill Danaerys nor do I think he is Targaryean. First off, I don't see a connection to being a queenslayer other than Jaime being the Kingslayer, there's nothing to indicate anything other than that.

 

Secondly, someone would have had to deceive Tywin about Tyrion's true father, good luck with that, don't think that's plausible at all.

 

 

 

A couple theories of mine (and feel free to pick these apart):

A common one: John is the offspring of Rhaegar and Lyanna. He's the third heard in the Targaryean dragon (Aegon and Dany are the others).

 

John dies at the end of book 5, but is brought back to life by Melisandre, releasing him from his Night's Watch vows and he does badass things up there. Also, he's Azor Ahai, Melisandre read the fires wrong.

 

My biggest reach one: Victarion comes in to Slaver's Bay with the horn that can control dragons, and with that power combined with a personality similar to Drogo's I think Dany catches onto him and they get married or team up or something.

 

 

There are three dragons and three Targeryens (sp). Jon Snow, Danny and Aegon I believe. I do not believe Jon Snow is dead. I also hope Arya is training to kill Cersei.

Edited April 28, 2015 by RockRaines

[TaylorStSox]

If Aegon was actually a Targeryan, they'd have cast him in the show.

[Chicago White Sox]

If Aegon was actually a Targeryan, they'd have cast him in the show.

Still too early to say he's out IMO. Doesn't Varys lie to Tyrion about his plans in the book as well? They could just be saving Aegon for a big episode 10 reveal with his invasion of Westeros starting off season six. I think some of the major characters from Feast & Dance that have been omitted from th show, like Euron for instance, will show up in some capacity next season.

[TaylorStSox]

Still too early to say he's out IMO. Doesn't Varys lie to Tyrion about his plans in the book as well? They could just be saving Aegon for a big episode 10 reveal with his invasion of Westeros starting off season six. I think some of the major characters from Feast & Dance that have been omitted from th show, like Euron for instance, will show up in some capacity next season.

It's a possibility, but it's pretty late in the game to introduce major players. They only have 2 seasons left.

[Chicago White Sox]

It's a possibility, but it's pretty late in the game to introduce major players. They only have 2 seasons left.

Fair point, just not sure how season six will play out with so many important characters missing. Seems like Danny's invasion of Westeros will be one of the major plot points in the Winds of Winter. A weakened Lanister family doesn't seem like enough opposition. Aegon & Euron are poised to be two of her largest obstacles IMO and I find it hard to believe they be cut entirely.

 

One TV theory I've read is that Trystane Martell might be Aegon. While I personally don't like that idea for many reasons, it would make Doran's long-term plan much stronger than in the books and make Dorne an important part of season six. And given how the producers are trying to limit the amount of characters and storylines (see Sansa replacing fake Arya), I really could see this happening unfortunately. The good news is it would mean that Varys' motive would no longer be as simple as just being a "Targaryen" supporter, which is incredibly lazy and lacks any payoff IMO.

[bigruss]

Still too early to say he's out IMO. Doesn't Varys lie to Tyrion about his plans in the book as well? They could just be saving Aegon for a big episode 10 reveal with his invasion of Westeros starting off season six. I think some of the major characters from Feast & Dance that have been omitted from th show, like Euron for instance, will show up in some capacity next season.

Yea I don't think Aegon not being in the show yet really tells us anything about him, that storyline is HUGE. I imagine they have a big storyline coming up on it, may not be until next season. They do have a ton to cover and it's clear they aren't afraid to cut stuff out, just hoping they don't water down the story too much (would love more Martell and Greyjoy, and of course the Aegon/Golden Company storylines to pick up).

[Leonard Zelig]

If Aerys raped or slept with Joanna Lannister, could Jaime & Cersei be the Dragons? I don't know if that's crazy, but in AFFC, Jaime is talking to his aunt and she tells him, "You smile like Gerion and fight like Tyg, and there's some of Kevan in you, else you would not wear that cloak... but Tyrion is Tywin's son, not you." They do share the custom of incest with the Targaryens.

[caulfield12]

I think the books should end with:

 

Danys and Jon together (it makes sense, in that she would have no problem marrying a bastard with the Stark bloodline and her anti-slavery/equality crusade)...

 

Tyrion as the court advisor with one of the witches (go with the Red Witch over Melisandre)...because the religious/spiritual angle is one of the main counterpoints of strength in the story

 

Actually, to keep in line with the story, it would be Tyrion and a street whore with a heart of gold (see Anne Hathaway in Les Miz for reference).

 

Worm marries Danys' "administrative assistant" and has kids through IVF

 

 

 

To be serious, the Greyjoy/men of the seas are the only forces right now that would seem to be equal what Danys and Jon could marshal together. Dorne, not so much. Lannisters...nope. Tyrells, no. Roose Bolton/Freys, nope. That basically leaves the Aegon vs. Jon thread to sort itself out...as well as what eventually happens with Sansa and Arya. Stannis is a joke of a leader, too.

 

The only other area of power would be the Aerie...but I'm not convinced of their military strength at this point, either.

 

I would imagine they would probably want to focus on profitability as the show is getting more and more expensive in terms of cast salaries...so that would limit a lot of the sea battles because they're notoriously expensive, time-consuming and difficult to film.

[ZoomSlowik]

I'm not counting on Aegon in the show. However, you can't really announce that casting because it's a huge spoiler.

[ChiSox_Sonix]

There are two male actors who have been cast with no information as regards to what they are playing yet. Not likely, but you never know.

 

http://winteriscoming.net/2015/03/30/game-...r-not-to-griff/

[bigruss]

There are two male actors who have been cast with no information as regards to what they are playing yet. Not likely, but you never know.

 

http://winteriscoming.net/2015/03/30/game-...r-not-to-griff/

Interesting, so if Nikolai's duck spoiler is true then that would indicate Ser Rolly Duckfield being one of them, so would that mean Connington isn't in the show? Doesn't make much sense to have Connington and Duckfield but not Aegon.

[bigruss]

I also assumed Victarion and the horn would have been introduced this season, with possibly the Martells as well. All 3 of the storylines meet at Dany and I thought they would've kept them in that same timeline.

[Chicago White Sox]

Regarding Aegon, what is Varys going to do on the show if he's out of the picture? He stuck around Kings Landing in the books and took out Kevin & Pycelle to create chaos and better set up Westeros for Aegon's arrival. I don't see him doing that on behalf of Dany when he hasn't even met here. Any why send him to Essos on the show but not pair him with Tyrion & Jorah if he's really linked to Dany's cause? There's really no plot for Varys at this point if Aegon is gone.

 

Was the Golden Company located in Volantis in the books? I thought it was interesting last week that Tyrion specifically asked Varys what's in Volantis. Maybe he's planning to meet up with the Golden Company there?

[Chicago White Sox]

I also assumed Victarion and the horn would have been introduced this season, with possibly the Martells as well. All 3 of the storylines meet at Dany and I thought they would've kept them in that same timeline.

Victorion is pretty much confirmed out at this point. Dario happened to steal the exact same amount of Mereeneese ships on the show as the Ironborn sent towards Dany in the books.

[ChiSox_Sonix]

Regarding Aegon, what is Varys going to do on the show if he's out of the picture? He stuck around Kings Landing in the books and took out Kevin & Pycelle to create chaos and better set up Westeros for Aegon's arrival. I don't see him doing that on behalf of Dany when he hasn't even met here. Any why send him to Essos on the show but not pair him with Tyrion & Jorah if he's really linked to Dany's cause? There's really no plot for Varys at this point if Aegon is gone.

 

Was the Golden Company located in Volantis in the books? I thought it was interesting last week that Tyrion specifically asked Varys what's in Volantis. Maybe he's planning to meet up with the Golden Company there?

 

Do we know Varys ends up in Meereen? Could he go back when he can't find Tyrion? They didn't re-introduce Kevan on the show for no reason, so I suspect something will still happen to him.

Edited April 28, 2015 by ChiSox_Sonix

[caulfield12]

Do we know Varys ends up in Meereen? Could he go back when he can't find Tyrion? They didn't re-introduce Kevan on the show for no reason, so I suspect something will still happen to him.

 

Reading that, I can't help but think of White Sox catchers and the fact nobody has a normal name, lol.

 

Nobody has mentioned our "lost knight," Brienne of Tarth...and the differences with the Clegane/s story from the book.

 

Finally, not sure how they're going to reconnect Tyrion's right hand man, although they did at least have him meeting with Jamie Lannister to continue that plot thread (maybe not in a detailed fashion like Martin does).

Edited April 29, 2015 by caulfield12