Baltimore Riots

[Dick Allen]

You'll get posts and statistics about whatever fits their current agenda, but anything you counter them with they'll claim is made up.

 

I mean...what the f***, we've devolved to a point where people are actually listening to the Crips and Bloods?

Yeah, the local drug dealer is all about keeping the neighborhood from going to hell.

[StrangeSox]

Yeah, the local drug dealer is all about keeping the neighborhood from going to hell.

 

Police crackdowns and curfews aren't exactly good for business.

 

edit: should point out that the rumor wasn't that they were starting or encouraging riots but that they were banding together to take out police officers.

Edited April 29, 2015 by StrangeSox

[Dick Allen]

Police crackdowns and curfews aren't exactly good for business.

 

edit: should point out that the rumor wasn't that they were starting or encouraging riots but that they were banding together to take out police officers.

If people are actually believing the Crips and Bloods to be the voice of reason, Baltimore is in a lot worse shape than anyone realizes.

[Y2HH]

Police crackdowns and curfews aren't exactly good for business.

 

edit: should point out that the rumor wasn't that they were starting or encouraging riots but that they were banding together to take out police officers.

 

Start that same rumor up about the White Sox and O's, that the two teams were getting together to take out police and see how much traction it gets.

 

One of those rumors is believable...the other is surely satire.

[StrangeSox]

If people are actually believing the Crips and Bloods to be the voice of reason

literally nobody is saying this.

[bmags]

1) If you know what excluded middle means, why do you keep trying to say anyone who thinks that rumor is ridiculous must believe that these street gangs are now some sort of benevolent, crime-fighting organization?

 

2) It's not about "middle ground" or giving street gangs benefit of the doubt. These street gangs are s***ty, violent and destructive to their communities, but that doesn't mean we should take outlandish claims about them at face value.

 

I think the point is a matter of perspective. From what I'm reading, Y2HH sees any any dismissal of the claims regarding crips/bloods to be defending the reputation of those gangs in the community.

 

To me, spreading of these rumors usually says a lot more about the people spreading them than anything related to crips/bloods. It's an immediate connection of user to seeing anything in the inner city to gangs and crime.

[LDF]

 

the B's and C's are nothing but a criminal org who is trying to get some fluff piece. if it was them who did the saying.

[bmags]

And to be fair there are a lot, the vast, vast, majority of citizens staying home and not contributing to the riots. This is a battle between a tiny population of both groups.

 

I think the question people need to ask when judging here is, do you think the citizens of Baltimore have a right to protest over another example of police brutality.

 

And if that is yes, would you forfeit your act of protest if subset of the group were destructive?

 

Also, for Chicago. For as useless and stupid as the riots may be in each literal aspect, Chicago could just as easily be facing this soon. Their police dept. does many of the same things as was listed in Ferguson. They literally had a torture ring. They have poor performers, and the climate is right now that a violent police situation may tear this city apart too. This isn't just a Baltimore problem.

 

So my point is, Chicago needs to get ahead, and not just plan for riots. Like...try to solve these issues.

[Y2HH]

I think the question people need to ask when judging here is, do you think the citizens of Baltimore have a right to protest over another example of police brutality.

 

And if that is yes, would you forfeit your act of protest if subset of the group were destructive?

 

Also, for Chicago. For as useless and stupid as the riots may be in each literal aspect, Chicago could just as easily be facing this soon. Their police dept. does many of the same things as was listed in Ferguson. They literally had a torture ring. They have poor performers, and the climate is right now that a violent police situation may tear this city apart too. This isn't just a Baltimore problem.

 

So my point is, Chicago needs to get ahead, and not just plan for riots. Like...try to solve these issues.

 

Someone else highlighted this point in this thread, but I'd like to reiterate what they said. When speaking of Chicago, the requirements to become a police officer were lowered (it used to require 2 years of college, it now requires none), and as a known dangerous job that starts at about 43k a year, complete with a pension package that grows worse by the year (newer police pensions payouts are much lower than older), worse medical benefits, etc...it's hard to attract good people for such a dangerous job with crappy benefits.

 

So, in saying that, is it a surprise that policing across the nation seems to be gathering more and more bad apples?

 

 

[Texsox]

The challenge is creating a system that allows for weeding out the poor performers while making the job attractive to top performers.

[StrangeSox]

Oh yeah, the taxes! The finger thing means the taxes!

 

 

more of an excuse to post that gif because it cracks me up than anything.

[LDF]

I think the question people need to ask when judging here is, do you think the citizens of Baltimore have a right to protest over another example of police brutality.

 

And if that is yes, would you forfeit your act of protest if subset of the group were destructive?

 

Also, for Chicago. For as useless and stupid as the riots may be in each literal aspect, Chicago could just as easily be facing this soon. Their police dept. does many of the same things as was listed in Ferguson. They literally had a torture ring. They have poor performers, and the climate is right now that a violent police situation may tear this city apart too. This isn't just a Baltimore problem.

 

So my point is, Chicago needs to get ahead, and not just plan for riots. Like...try to solve these issues.

 

there are many other city that can used as an example of this happening. Hou, DC etc.....

[LDF]

 

on second thought.....

 

i don't give a crap about not enuf money for salary and all that bull crap. they signed up to do a job. if they don't like it, quit.

 

how many people are out of a job and would be extremely happy for a 40k+ a yr. there are security cops making 20k. people are begging for an opportunity to work.

 

 

[Y2HH]

on second thought.....

 

i don't give a crap about not enuf money for salary and all that bull crap. they signed up to do a job. if they don't like it, quit.

 

how many people are out of a job and would be extremely happy for a 40k+ a yr. there are security cops making 20k. people are begging for an opportunity to work.

 

You have to care.

 

Why would I risk my life for 40k and crappy benefits if I can make more elsewhere?

 

Answer: I wouldn't...so you can take the people that would, instead.

[Jenksismyhero]

I have a hard time believing that major cities don't get good candidates. CPD gets thousands of applicants for very few spots. They can pick and choose the good candidates.

 

 

[bmags]

Someone else highlighted this point in this thread, but I'd like to reiterate what they said. When speaking of Chicago, the requirements to become a police officer were lowered (it used to require 2 years of college, it now requires none), and as a known dangerous job that starts at about 43k a year, complete with a pension package that grows worse by the year (newer police pensions payouts are much lower than older), worse medical benefits, etc...it's hard to attract good people for such a dangerous job with crappy benefits.

 

So, in saying that, is it a surprise that policing across the nation seems to be gathering more and more bad apples?

 

An interesting TNC article probably frames my mind here but

 

"So, in saying that, is it a surprise that policing across the nation seems to be gathering more and more bad apples?"

 

ARe there more bad apples? Are there more media?

 

And a bigger question:

 

Are we using our criminal justice system to respond to situations that may not be helpful to include law enforcement in?

 

The web that law enforcement is used for every menial inner city function is insane, and small mistakes end up trapping people into jail for actions that would never feature jail time for a middle income area. Is jail helping there?

[Jake]

Why would the various gangs of Baltimore cooperate with each other? Would they even have any formal line of communication with one another?

[Y2HH]

I have a hard time believing that major cities don't get good candidates. CPD gets thousands of applicants for very few spots. They can pick and choose the good candidates.

 

So, a government bureaucracy is going to pick just the best candidates? If so, why'd they lower their standards?

[Y2HH]

An interesting TNC article probably frames my mind here but

 

"So, in saying that, is it a surprise that policing across the nation seems to be gathering more and more bad apples?"

 

ARe there more bad apples? Are there more media?

 

And a bigger question:

 

Are we using our criminal justice system to respond to situations that may not be helpful to include law enforcement in?

 

The web that law enforcement is used for every menial inner city function is insane, and small mistakes end up trapping people into jail for actions that would never feature jail time for a middle income area. Is jail helping there?

 

Odds are it's just more media, but I'm sure the fact that they're underpaid and their recruitment process lowering their standards year after year...it's probably a slight combination of both.

[Jenksismyhero]

So, a government bureaucracy is going to pick just the best candidates? If so, why'd they lower their standards?

 

affirmative action/discrimination issues, i'd imagine.

[bmags]

Odds are it's just more media, but I'm sure the fact that they're underpaid and their recruitment process lowering their standards year after year...it's probably a slight combination of both.

 

Yeah, but not sure that's a bad thing. There certainly isn't more police brutality now, there has been the same amount for a very long time, which people are tired of.

[Jenksismyhero]

Why would the various gangs of Baltimore cooperate with each other? Would they even have any formal line of communication with one another?

 

Of course!

 

[LDF]

You have to care.

 

Why would I risk my life for 40k and crappy benefits if I can make more elsewhere?

 

Answer: I wouldn't...so you can take the people that would, instead.

 

as a person who is applying for the job, you, the rhetorical you, should know what the salary will be including benefits, it was your decision right there to make it, if the pay wasn't enuf, then don't fill out the application.

[Y2HH]

as a person who is applying for the job, you, the rhetorical you, should know what the salary will be including benefits, it was your decision right there to make it, if the pay wasn't enuf, then don't fill out the application.

 

Not really the point I'm making.

 

I'm saying that for a job so dangerous, if you want really good candidates, you can't offer them a low salary and crappy benefits.

[StrangeSox]

Not really the point I'm making.

 

I'm saying that for a job so dangerous, if you want really good candidates, you can't offer them a low salary and crappy benefits.

the US military is somewhat of a counterpoint to that, maybe.