StrangeSox Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Geraldo works for Fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 30, 2015 -> 02:35 PM) look at his rap sheet he was in a car accident! he had spinal surgery a week ago! he did it to himself! Baltimore man detained with Freddie Gray: Police are using me to ‘cover their ass’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/larry-wilm...ed-to-the-cops/ Gang members reminiscent to Noam Chomsky when when placed in comparison with BPD. Thanks, Stringer Bell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 1, 2015 -> 09:07 AM) Baltimore man detained with Freddie Gray: Police are using me to ‘cover their ass’ To be fair..."man arrested by Baltimore PD doesn't have nice things to say about Baltimore PD"...not exactly unsurprising right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 1, 2015 -> 08:17 AM) To be fair..."man arrested by Baltimore PD doesn't have nice things to say about Baltimore PD"...not exactly unsurprising right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 (edited) http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/02/us/fredd...;pgtype=article Uh oh....and it begins. Probable cause for manslaughter charges to go forward. Edited May 1, 2015 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 State's attorney finds that the death is a homicide, all 6 officers charged, one officer charged with second degree murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 1, 2015 -> 02:07 PM) Baltimore man detained with Freddie Gray: Police are using me to ‘cover their ass’ nice find. if you don't mind, i will play the devil's advocate, how credence can be given to him as a witness?? what was he being arrested for?? can an argument be made that this person is telling the truth or does he have a ax to grind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 If he's untrustworthy, he's untrustworthy. Doesn't matter if he's supporting the cops (allegedly) two days ago or he's saying they're full of s*** today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 One thing about this camera business is that we should be careful what we wish for. There are clearly some things to be gained from body cameras or cameras inside of police vans or jail cells. With that said, I'm not eager to sign away my right not to be videotaped. It is not a big leap to go from "we need cameras around police activity" to "we need cameras anywhere crimes may be committed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 1, 2015 -> 04:18 PM) If he's untrustworthy, he's untrustworthy. Doesn't matter if he's supporting the cops (allegedly) two days ago or he's saying they're full of s*** today. very good. but you forgot 1 important thing, does it make good tv??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 QUOTE (Jake @ May 1, 2015 -> 04:20 PM) One thing about this camera business is that we should be careful what we wish for. There are clearly some things to be gained from body cameras or cameras inside of police vans or jail cells. With that said, I'm not eager to sign away my right not to be videotaped. It is not a big leap to go from "we need cameras around police activity" to "we need cameras anywhere crimes may be committed." this is a double edge sword. i can see the gains, esp in helping the police. i just might not be smart enuf to argue the point logically. i would like them to really help out the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 State's attorney finds that the death is a homicide, all 6 officers charged, one officer charged with second degree murder. 2nd degree murder is going to be a tough sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Also, no probable cause for arrest. Hope she knows what she's doing as I'd been given the impression there was no argument as to whether there was probable cause for the arrest, legally speaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 30, 2015 -> 02:16 PM) I think the point of a rough ride is that they're deliberately not secured appropriately. Which is a point against the police. The difference being is a rough ride with sharp turns *could* be justified by road and traffic conditions. We all have had to make such maneuvers. If the prisoner is not secured properly that is either deliberate, careless, or due to a lack of training. All of which points against the police department and is less subjective and more objective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 QUOTE (Jake @ May 1, 2015 -> 11:02 AM) Also, no probable cause for arrest. Hope she knows what she's doing as I'd been given the impression there was no argument as to whether there was probable cause for the arrest, legally speaking. From that David Simon interview I posted yesterday: Probable cause from a Baltimore police officer has always been a tenuous thing. It’s a tenuous thing anywhere, but in Baltimore, in these high crime, heavily policed areas, it was even worse. When I came on, there were jokes about, “You know what probable cause is on Edmondson Avenue? You roll by in your radio car and the guy looks at you for two seconds too long.” Probable cause was whatever you thought you could safely lie about when you got into district court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 QUOTE (Tex @ May 1, 2015 -> 11:02 AM) Which is a point against the police. The difference being is a rough ride with sharp turns *could* be justified by road and traffic conditions. We all have had to make such maneuvers. If the prisoner is not secured properly that is either deliberate, careless, or due to a lack of training. All of which points against the police department and is less subjective and more objective. This isn't a high-speed drive through a war zone and rough terrain. It's driving a van on major city streets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 1, 2015 -> 11:05 AM) This isn't a high-speed drive through a war zone and rough terrain. It's driving a van on major city streets. It kinda sounds like Chicago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 1, 2015 -> 11:05 AM) This isn't a high-speed drive through a war zone and rough terrain. It's driving a van on major city streets. Any pot holes to swerve around? Any taxis cutting you off requiring you to stop suddenly? Pedestrians stepping out? Cars pulling into traffic? Trucks backing out of an alley? My main point is not following procedure in securing a passenger is objective. The driving maneuvers are more subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 (edited) Man she has stones going after cops. I think she'll go for higher offense in hopes that the jury acquits them so she can shrug her shoulders and say, "Welp, I tried." Edited May 1, 2015 by pettie4sox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cknolls Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 1, 2015 -> 11:05 AM) This isn't a high-speed drive through a war zone and rough terrain. It's driving a van on major city streets. Ever drive down Western Avenue just south of Cermak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 QUOTE (Jake @ May 1, 2015 -> 09:20 AM) One thing about this camera business is that we should be careful what we wish for. There are clearly some things to be gained from body cameras or cameras inside of police vans or jail cells. With that said, I'm not eager to sign away my right not to be videotaped. It is not a big leap to go from "we need cameras around police activity" to "we need cameras anywhere crimes may be committed." Particularly with body cameras, police departments will need to develop procedures regarding their use that comply with 1st Amendment protections and to ensure proper retention of videos. The ACLU has written two policy papers on the issue in the last couple. The most recent is linked below. https://www.aclu.org/police-body-mounted-ca...s-place-win-all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 (edited) Amazingly, there is not an epidemic of broken spines for unbuckled passengers in major cities across the world, even in cities with much worse traffic and driving conditions. Tex, you do have a point that it might be hard to prove the driver's mindset to make something like a murder charge stick. Edited May 1, 2015 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 1, 2015 -> 11:23 AM) Amazingly, there is not an epidemic of broken spines for unbuckled passengers in major cities across the world, even in cities with much worse traffic and driving conditions. Tex, you do have a point that it might be hard to prove the driver's mindset to make something like a murder charge stick. Which could also be used by the police to say he must have been trying to hurt himself. The key differences are the environment and the passenger's position. Passengers are not normally handcuffed in an unpadded, large enclosure, where they could slide a significant distance without the means to brace before they made contact. They just would not move that far in an automobile and would be able to brace themselves before hitting the padded door or seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 (edited) But the counterpoint to that is that these "rough rides" have been known about for a while and in departments across the country. edit: a history of the 'Rough Ride' Edited May 1, 2015 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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