2015 White Sox draft pick discussion

[LDF]

i am not trying to promote any of the stuff that i have done, but look on the other mlb draft link and look at the active stats that i assembled.

 

this month i didn't do the pitchers but mostly hitters.

 

 

[southsider2k5]

Keith Law really doesn't think Fulmer can be a starter. I have similar concerns from the games I've seen the last month or so.

 

Ryan (Nashville)

 

Given that Carson Fulmer holds his stuff late into games and has, knock on wood, never had injury problems, is there a non-zero chance he can be a starter? It seems like sometimes there are just funky guys that it works for (Sale, Lincecum), so could you see a team in the top 15 take a chance on him thinking he can start?

Klaw (1:27 PM)

 

Two questions. Do I think he can start? Absolutely not. Incredibly violent, max-effort delivery that currently has him with 40 fastball command. Yes, he holds his stuff and hasn't been hurt, but he also pitches every seventh day, and Vandy handles their arms as well as any program in the country. Do I think someone will take him in the top 15? I'd give you even money on that.

 

That is pretty much what he said about Sale.

[fathom]

That is pretty much what he said about Sale.

 

Yep, Sale and Lincecum

[caulfield12]

They have brought in Mitchell, Thompson, and Hawkins all who were thought to be plus defenders. I like the idea of Stewart taking over for Melky in LF or even Abreu at 1B when/if he moves to full time DH. There are a lot of intriguing options out there.

 

None of the pitchers around that area are very appealing to me, you could reach for Matuela, but only if he comes in at a significant discount from slot value. This may not be the worst draft to not sign your first round pick as the #9 pick next season will likely be a better player than what will be there at #8 this year. Yes it may negatively affect your already light draft pool this year, but only if you were going to get someone under slot.

 

 

Except Mitchell never had a decent arm and Hawkins was mostly picked for his power potential.

 

Thompson, definitely.

[GreenSox]

That is pretty much what he said about Sale.

Delivery's worse than Sale; 1/2 foot shorter than Sale; much harder used than Sale; Sale wasn't picked in the 8th pick.

And perhaps Sale and LIncecum are the exception

 

And - a ML ready starter (and certainly not a bullpen pitcher) shouldn't be the priority anyway.

[NorthSideSox72]

Delivery's worse than Sale; 1/2 foot shorter than Sale; much harder used than Sale; Sale wasn't picked in the 8th pick.

And perhaps Sale and LIncecum are the exception

 

And - a ML ready starter (and certainly not a bullpen pitcher) shouldn't be the priority anyway.

 

BPA.

 

[LDF]

BPA.

 

i have been thinking of that the whole day. there was something that was and have always bug me about that. BPA, is that really more of a subjective judgement.

 

for me, if a pitcher, a positional player are needed. BPA will be the final call to the person who is making the selection, right?

[BlackSox13]

BPA for the Sox will be determined by which players are picked by the seven teams ahead of the Sox in the draft.

[southsider2k5]

BPA for the Sox will be determined by which players are picked by the seven teams ahead of the Sox in the draft.

 

It is a silly thing to say most years. This year, even more so. The biggest reason is how do you determine "best". Is it the guy with a major injury and a much higher ceiling, or the safer bet, but a lower ceiling?

[BlackSox13]

It is a silly thing to say most years. This year, even more so. The biggest reason is how do you determine "best". Is it the guy with a major injury and a much higher ceiling, or the safer bet, but a lower ceiling?

Good question, wish I had a definitive answer to be honest but I don't. There's a case to be made for both sides so it really comes down to preferences and opinions.

 

I guess the big question is, who do we think the Sox FO/scouts will view as the BPA and not who we think the BPA is.

[LDF]

It is a silly thing to say most years. This year, even more so. The biggest reason is how do you determine "best". Is it the guy with a major injury and a much higher ceiling, or the safer bet, but a lower ceiling?

 

most excellent.

 

[LDF]

Good question, wish I had a definitive answer to be honest but I don't. There's a case to be made for both sides so it really comes down to preferences and opinions.

 

I guess the big question is, who do we think the Sox FO/scouts will view as the BPA and not who we think the BPA is.

 

good point.

 

lets look at last yr, the BPA was, hands down Rodon, even when the other teams were making their selection.

 

this yr. my head is spinning. i can't for the life of me decide.

[Boopa1219]

good point.

 

lets look at last yr, the BPA was, hands down Rodon, even when the other teams were making their selection.

 

this yr. my head is spinning. i can't for the life of me decide.

 

Always go with BPA, especially in MLB.

[LDF]

Always go with BPA, especially in MLB.

 

but that is the point. in this kind of a draft, that need will be different to each others.

Edited May 5, 2015 by LDF

[BlackSox13]

good point.

 

lets look at last yr, the BPA was, hands down Rodon, even when the other teams were making their selection.

 

this yr. my head is spinning. i can't for the life of me decide.

But last year the Sox only had two teams picking ahead of them and 2015 was a better draft class.

 

Relax LDF. Unless you know what the other seven picks are going be, you won't be able to determine the BPA.

 

 

[LDF]

But last year the Sox only had two teams picking ahead of them and 2015 was a better draft class.

 

Relax LDF. Unless you know what the other seven picks are going be, you won't be able to determine the BPA.

 

you have to understand, i am OCD, i have made plans for a lot of possibilities of different selections. it is driving me crazy.

 

you see now why i say i love it. it relaxes my brain.

 

~~ edit - it like a junkie who needs a fix...... me, i need more info to read. to decipher, to anticipate how the other team will pick.

 

Edited May 5, 2015 by LDF

[Boopa1219]

but that is the point. in this kind of a draft, that will be different to each others.

 

Different people are going to evaluate players differently, thats why you have to stick to your board.

[LDF]

Different people are going to evaluate players differently, thats why you have to stick to your board.

 

sticking to the board, you need to have to some sort of ranking, esp for those you know who will be there.

 

here we are, at least i am, a bunch of amateurs who is taking this thing as the pro's do. i am crazy, i know that. but it is fun.

[southsider2k5]

Always go with BPA, especially in MLB.

 

This year the "best" players all have had major surgery and are even biggest questions marks.

[LDF]

This year the "best" players all have had major surgery and are even biggest questions marks.

a very good point. esp the bolded. i feel sorry for any prospects who gets derailed when they are about to grab the golden ring. only to come up short b/c of a rare illness.

 

now, some of those pitchers don't get picked where they want, they could always go back into the draft. making the draft class of 2017 even stronger.

[Y2Jimmy0]

Keith Law chat:

 

Justin (Chicago)

 

Rumor is the White Sox are targeting college pitchers with their first pick. What are your thoughts on organizations who target only a specific group of players? Specifically to the White Sox, they really have not developed a hitter forever. Do some orgs just feel as though they have a better strength and developing position players or pitchers, so they target them more?

Klaw (1:23 PM)

 

I think the White Sox have such a good track record developing pitchers I wouldn't question them taking another one - it's a clear core competence at this point. I've heard them specifically on Tyler Jay at 8.

[LDF]

Keith Law chat:

 

Justin (Chicago)

 

Rumor is the White Sox are targeting college pitchers with their first pick. What are your thoughts on organizations who target only a specific group of players? Specifically to the White Sox, they really have not developed a hitter forever. Do some orgs just feel as though they have a better strength and developing position players or pitchers, so they target them more?

Klaw (1:23 PM)

 

I think the White Sox have such a good track record developing pitchers I wouldn't question them taking another one - it's a clear core competence at this point. I've heard them specifically on Tyler Jay at 8.

 

if the Jay selection is indeed true, i really have a hard time trying to figure that one out. the last time the sox selected a rp in the first round, well i let some one else who want to look it up.

 

either way, nice find.

[southsider2k5]

if the Jay selection is indeed true, i really have a hard time trying to figure that one out. the last time the sox selected a rp in the first round, well i let some one else who want to look it up.

 

either way, nice find.

 

Royce Ring.

 

But if the Sox select Jay in the first round at #8, it means they don't think he will be a RP, and will be a SP.

[LDF]

Royce Ring.

 

But if the Sox select Jay in the first round at #8, it means they don't think he will be a RP, and will be a SP.

 

good one.

 

and i agree about what you said. in the beginning of the season, an article mention of Jay being stretch out as a start as a couple of others. however he reverted back to rp. something about this secondary pitches never fully developed to help him as a sp.

 

with that, i am still questioning the idea of it.

[GGajewski18]

Keith Law chat:

 

Justin (Chicago)

 

Rumor is the White Sox are targeting college pitchers with their first pick. What are your thoughts on organizations who target only a specific group of players? Specifically to the White Sox, they really have not developed a hitter forever. Do some orgs just feel as though they have a better strength and developing position players or pitchers, so they target them more?

Klaw (1:23 PM)

 

I think the White Sox have such a good track record developing pitchers I wouldn't question them taking another one - it's a clear core competence at this point. I've heard them specifically on Tyler Jay at 8.

 

As an Illinois fan, I would be absolutely thrilled by this. I'm pretty sure that raBBit played against him or his brother did at some point too. The kid has 3 plus pitches.

 

As a Sox fan, GET ALL THE LEFTIES.