Some more reasons the games didn't get move to WASH

[caulfield12]

One of the things that I have not see mentioned as a bit of context. John Angelos is the son of Peter Angelos, the principal owner of the Orioles. Peter, who made his fortune as a labor lawyer (representing people in discrimination cases) was the only owner who refused to field scabs during the 1994-95 players strike:

 

“It’s clear that he had a different attitude from a number of the other owners on whether the course they’d embarked upon was wise,” understates Don Fehr, the MLBPA head at the time. It wasn’t just that Cal Ripken Jr.'s sacred streak would end, as cynics sniped. You’d taken labor’s side against management all your life. Never had a corporate client, you like to brag.

 

“Peter hates corporate America,” says a former associate who spent much of his adulthood working for your firm. “You hear him say it all the time. ‘Those no-good motherf-----s.’ This is a guy who wore short-sleeve shirts to work with a tie. He had his office in a blue-collar section of Baltimore. He was a peasant. A peasant who got rich. A peasant who got rich and bought a baseball team.”[emphasis added]

 

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Peter Angelos took on the tobacco industry way back when and won big time. I met him once when I was with my uncle -- a legendary Baltimore trial attorney at a restaurant in Little Italy. Angelos had his own special table but he rarely got to it because he stopped to talk to the "little" people at the bar on the way.

 

Very good to hear his son inherited his good character traits.

 

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/27/138...er?detail=email

 

http://www.yurasko.net/wfy/2010/08/angelos...ravens-too.html

 

http://wnst.net/nfl/it-was-peter-angelos-v...-ravens-rights/

 

 

While it is well established that Baltimore Orioles and MASN owner Peter Angelos hates the Washington Nationals and the greater Washington D.C. region, it is less well-known that he hates the Baltimore Ravens too. The wannabe megalomaniac apparently scuttled a deal with the Ravens to air team programming that had been approved in principle in April. It is alleged that Angelos ended the deal because he could not deal directly with Ravens owner Steve Biscotti, who preferred to delegate the responsibilities to more qualified employees.

 

So, is the lesson of all of this not to take the slights by Angelos and MASN personally because he hates Baltimoreans too? Nah, I think the lesson is that Angelos ruins everything he is involved in and we should still crush him at every opportunity and never buy tickets to Orioles games. The story above is from a Baltimore radio station that dislikes Angelos even more than me.

Edited April 29, 2015 by caulfield12

[LDF]

 

i wonder if he tried talking to Chi and the JR.

[BlackSox13]

Thanks for the links Caulfield. I like Angelos and his son even more now.

[cabiness42]

The only thing the O's and Nats have been fighting over this year is who can stay in last place longer.

[caulfield12]

The only thing the O's and Nats have been fighting over this year is who can stay in last place longer.

 

 

That was true until 2012....both franchises have had a pretty amazing resurgence.

 

Especially the O's, for how many horrible FA decisions Angelos has made. Now Moreno's leading the pack in idiotic decisions, ahead of Illitch, who at least makes business moves with his heart (Verlander, Cabrera, V. Martinez) and has a GM who can cover for his bad impulses (mitigate's a better word, perhaps) with moves like Price, Iglesias, Cespedes, A. Sanchez, Gose, JD Martinez, Simon, Greene, Rajai Davis, etc.

[caulfield12]

Thanks for the links Caulfield. I like Angelos and his son even more now.

 

It gets even more interesting. Manfred was an O's season ticket holder, and he was also elected Commissioner of Baseball in Baltimore. One of the main reasons he was in BALT was arbitrating the dispute between the Nationals/Orioles and also dealing with the request from the Angelos"es" (is that the right term?) for an All-Star game at Camden Yards in the near future.

 

$70 million reasons why the Orioles/Angelos and Nationals aren't seeing eye to eye.

 

That panel, consisting of a representative from each of the Rays, Pirates, and Mets, determined that MASN would have to pay the Nationals about $24 million more per year than they have been. This would apply retroactively to past years as well. The end result is that MASN would also owe about $70 million for past years.

 

If the Orioles assume a percentage of that payment equal to their stake in the network (85%), they'll be on the hook for $60 million. The extra $24 million per year that would be paid to the Nationals based on the RSDC decision essentially comes out of the MASN profit stream, which currently flows largely to the Orioles. MASN has posted a $20 million bond with the court for the difference between what MASN has paid the Nationals for 2014 rights fees and what the RSDC said they should be paid.

 

 

http://www.camdenchat.com/2014/12/15/73921...fees-court-case

 

 

This situation ranks right up there with the A's/Giants stadium fight, San Jose relocation, etc. You could probably put saving baseball in Tampa/St. Pete and/or Miami right up there on the list.

[southsider2k5]

If this series was really screwed up because of personal dislikes, the MLB Commissioners office is a damned joke.

[caulfield12]

If this series was really screwed up because of personal dislikes, the MLB Commissioners office is a damned joke.

 

 

Southsider, you're a smart guy. And can put the pieces together (see below). Jerry Reinsdorf doesn't have a prayer in this showdown.

 

Finally, never underestimate how close Manfred and Angelos are...and never overestimate how much JR apparently is on the "outs" with his bloc losing power in their attempted coup d'etat.

 

 

 

“We supported Rob, and we think he’ll do a fine job. The other candidates are excellent, also, and everyone is looking to him to solve the problems that baseball has and to expand on the success of baseball.” Manfred takes over next January, and Angelos says he’s well-qualified.

 

“He’s been at it for 20 years. He came up from the first grade, and he graduated with a Ph.D on baseball. He knows every facet of baseball. He has a way of getting things accomplished, so there are great expectations. “Is he perfect? No. No one is perfect. I think he’ll do a sterling job. I think he’ll follow successfully in the path of the retiring commissioner,” Angelos said.

 

The Orioles have applied to host the 2016 All-Star Game. Selig has praised Baltimore as “a very, very viable contender” to host the game, and on Tuesday said he would pick cities for “a number” of games. Angelos said he was hopeful that Baltimore would be chosen.

 

 

http://www.csnbaltimore.com/blog/orioles-t...as-phd-baseball

[cabiness42]

That was true until 2012....both franchises have had a pretty amazing resurgence.

 

Especially the O's, for how many horrible FA decisions Angelos has made. Now Moreno's leading the pack in idiotic decisions, ahead of Illitch, who at least makes business moves with his heart (Verlander, Cabrera, V. Martinez) and has a GM who can cover for his bad impulses (mitigate's a better word, perhaps) with moves like Price, Iglesias, Cespedes, A. Sanchez, Gose, JD Martinez, Simon, Greene, Rajai Davis, etc.

 

Notice that I said this year and notice where both teams are in the standings this year.

[LDF]

 

the thing that has been bugging since i read this org post is, the owner son is/was a labor lawyer. i would assume he was against big company.

 

so he is now part of that corp world that he hated and still does. he neg contracts and is responsible for their hiring practice. (the buck stop with the owners)

 

so in essence, isn't he contradicting himself and his belief?? esp when he is trying to sign a FA???

[Swingandalongonetoleft]

Angelos"es" (is that the right term?)

Angelii

[southsider2k5]

Southsider, you're a smart guy. And can put the pieces together (see below). Jerry Reinsdorf doesn't have a prayer in this showdown.

 

Finally, never underestimate how close Manfred and Angelos are...and never overestimate how much JR apparently is on the "outs" with his bloc losing power in their attempted coup d'etat.

 

 

 

“We supported Rob, and we think he’ll do a fine job. The other candidates are excellent, also, and everyone is looking to him to solve the problems that baseball has and to expand on the success of baseball.” Manfred takes over next January, and Angelos says he’s well-qualified.

 

“He’s been at it for 20 years. He came up from the first grade, and he graduated with a Ph.D on baseball. He knows every facet of baseball. He has a way of getting things accomplished, so there are great expectations. “Is he perfect? No. No one is perfect. I think he’ll do a sterling job. I think he’ll follow successfully in the path of the retiring commissioner,” Angelos said.

 

The Orioles have applied to host the 2016 All-Star Game. Selig has praised Baltimore as “a very, very viable contender” to host the game, and on Tuesday said he would pick cities for “a number” of games. Angelos said he was hopeful that Baltimore would be chosen.

 

 

http://www.csnbaltimore.com/blog/orioles-t...as-phd-baseball

 

All of that conjecture doesn't really help my opinion that the current MLB Commissioner is weak.

 

[LDF]

All of that conjecture doesn't really help my opinion that the current MLB Commissioner is weak.

 

good point, but let me also add, all that is coming from Balt and the commish office, may be nothing but lip service.

[ewokpelts]

Angelos is a cancer to baseball. The games not going to Washington were because he is in a blood feud with the Nationals. Even though he made a boatload of money off the sale of the nationals.

 

Manfred is selig's hand picked successor. He is not weak at all. But he is also the head of a corporation that oversees 30 fran horses with different goals and attitudes.

Selig was known to let teams work out issues between themselves and not drop the hammer all the time. Manfred is taking a similar approach.

 

The best part of this issue is that Angelos is losing a ton of money from 6 lost home dates. He will not recoup the losses with the doubleheader or the Tampa "home games".

[LDF]

Angelos is a cancer to baseball. The games not going to Washington were because he is in a blood feud with the Nationals. Even though he made a boatload of money off the sale of the nationals.

 

Manfred is selig's hand picked successor. He is not weak at all. But he is also the head of a corporation that oversees 30 fran horses with different goals and attitudes.

Selig was known to let teams work out issues between themselves and not drop the hammer all the time. Manfred is taking a similar approach.

 

The best part of this issue is that Angelos is losing a ton of money from 6 lost home dates. He will not recoup the losses with the doubleheader or the Tampa "home games".

 

isn't that like the sox and the northsiders??????

[ewokpelts]

isn't that like the sox and the northsiders??????

The sox really don't have issues with the Cubs. At least economically.

 

Don't forget, jerry almost bought the Cubs.

[southsider2k5]

The sox really don't have issues with the Cubs. At least economically.

 

Don't forget, jerry almost bought the Cubs.

 

I don't recall the Sox haven't problems with the Cubs at any level of the organization higher than Ozzie Guillen.

[ewokpelts]

I don't recall the Sox haven't problems with the Cubs at any level of the organization higher than Ozzie Guillen.

Is there a rivalry? Of course.

 

But a true dislike? No.

[southsider2k5]

Is there a rivalry? Of course.

 

But a true dislike? No.

 

Rivalry doesn't have to be ugly. At the higher levels, I don't recall ever seeing anything like Washington and Baltimore happening between the Sox and Cubs.

[ILMOU]

Thx for info 'field. Angelos is growing on me. He's made terrible FA decisions in the past, and his medical nixing of trades has given him a further PR obstacle, but he did make a terrific hire with Buck - changed the whole culture of losing they'd fallen into.

 

And calling the O's a last place team right now is absurd. They're one under, like the Sox, in a division with nothing but highly flawed teams. The Red Sox, for one, are going to need about 20 capable relievers to make it through the season with that dumpster fire of a rotation.

[LDF]

The sox really don't have issues with the Cubs. At least economically.

 

Don't forget, jerry almost bought the Cubs.

 

wasn't there something about the sCrubs using the sox park for a while until their construction done. when asked, the FO said no they would not be helping the northsiders in this.

 

something to that extent.

[Texsox]

If this series was really screwed up because of personal dislikes, the MLB Commissioners office is a damned joke.

 

Damned joke to who? Certainly not to the people who hire him.

[southsider2k5]

Damned joke to who? Certainly not to the people who hire him.

 

Did I really need to specify that it was my opinion? I would have thought that was fairly clear.

[Texsox]

Did I really need to specify that it was my opinion? I would have thought that was fairly clear.

 

What was unclear to me was to what group you were thinking about?

 

Owners? Perfect

Player's? I haven't read any opinions, but I assume they aren't happy losing an off day

Fans? I'm guessing the reviews are mixed. Some fans will be happy to see a double header, some are worried about how it will affect their team's record. I only see Sox fans as really being upset.

You (and I)? OK we think it is a joke, but that probably isn't very important.

 

So as commissioner do you go along with the owner involved over the players and a few hundred Sox fans who really care?

[caulfield12]

Angelos is a cancer to baseball. The games not going to Washington were because he is in a blood feud with the Nationals. Even though he made a boatload of money off the sale of the nationals.

 

Manfred is selig's hand picked successor. He is not weak at all. But he is also the head of a corporation that oversees 30 fran horses with different goals and attitudes.

Selig was known to let teams work out issues between themselves and not drop the hammer all the time. Manfred is taking a similar approach.

 

The best part of this issue is that Angelos is losing a ton of money from 6 lost home dates. He will not recoup the losses with the doubleheader or the Tampa "home games".

 

 

Well, technically 5...he has the May 28th double header, which will count as one game