fathom Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 They built a team with speed that is bad at stealing bases. Due to the need for speed, they neglected getting enough power in the lineup. Way too much reliance on Avi showing power development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 QUOTE (flavum @ May 2, 2015 -> 09:22 PM) He'll take blame because that's what GMs do. But I still like him and think he's a smart GM. That said, he needs a new manager, and his team president and owner need to allow him to do that. Only way out of this mess. Fire Robin and the entire staff after the season ... after all the guys we acquired in last year's trades are shipped during the season. Start planning the firesale now and get some amazing baseball players for Melky, Robertson, LaRoche, Duke, Danks, Lexi. We have some pieces contenders will want. Go young and go for talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ May 2, 2015 -> 03:24 PM) Look at those hitters in the 9th. Sox haven't had a real hitter on the bench in a decade. Pinch runners, utility players....everything but a decent bat. Oh and call up Sanchez Flowers was their last bench player, the whole bench had already been used up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 2, 2015 Author Share Posted May 2, 2015 When's the last time a Sox team played 7 games without a homer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ May 2, 2015 -> 04:24 PM) I can't really blame Hahn too much, literally everyone is underperforming, even guys like Sale and Quintana. I can't really hold him too responsible when nearly everyone is on pace for their career-worst season. I 100% agree. Hahn did a good job with what he was given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 QUOTE (flavum @ May 2, 2015 -> 04:26 PM) When's the last time a Sox team played 7 games without a homer? Even when they sucked Sox hit solo homeruns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ May 2, 2015 -> 09:25 PM) They built a team with speed that is bad at stealing bases. Due to the need for speed, they neglected getting enough power in the lineup. Way too much reliance on Avi showing power development. The team speed is still putrid on the whole. It's still mostly a station to station team. Couple guys can run a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Alexei to the Padres makes a lot of sense if this continues for another month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 QUOTE (Butter Parque @ May 2, 2015 -> 04:20 PM) Sorry, I seem to like Rick Hahn's moves when they are initially completed, but he bares a helluva lot of responsibility for this mess. Shark is terrible, Gillaspie is terrible, Flowers is terrible, Danks & Noesi suck, the bench stinks, Rodon is being handled horribly, and this might be the worst coaching staff in baseball. KW's fingerprints were all over most of the moves, especially the rent of shark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 QUOTE (Soxfest @ May 2, 2015 -> 10:24 PM) Then let Hahn pick his own manager and not have to get a ok from Williams on everything...............Let him be the GM without looking over his shoulder. If you really aren't in charge, why take the job? Its like Cashman, when the moves don't work, the fans blame the Steinbrenners, when they work out well, it was a shrewd move by Cash. He's got it made in the shade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ May 2, 2015 -> 09:27 PM) Alexei to the Padres makes a lot of sense if this continues for another month Definitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ May 2, 2015 -> 10:28 PM) KW's fingerprints were all over most of the moves, especially the rent of shark. Well we all know for a fact that as long as KW is making moves, this team cannot possible compete. Other than one great offseason in which he had the midas touch, KW has been as incompetent as anyone in baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 (edited) At this point, I'm hoping guys like Samardzija, Danks, Ramirez, Cabrera, LaRoche and Beckham (as a bench depth option for a team) make themselves look attractive to teams from now until 7/31. Try again this off season. Edited May 2, 2015 by soxfan2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ May 2, 2015 -> 03:25 PM) Only way out of this mess. Fire Robin and the entire staff after the season ... after all the guys we acquired in last year's trades are shipped during the season. Start planning the firesale now and get some amazing baseball players for Melky, Robertson, LaRoche, Duke, Danks, Lexi. We have some pieces contenders will want. Go young and go for talent. There's no trade market the first week of May. Robertson being traded...means they're rebuilding again, which they cannot afford to do. And the return (die to his salary) wont be great unless there are 2-3 closers from contending teams all down simultaneously. Alexei looks older. LaRoche and Cabrera cant be moved, and Danks will just be salary relief. If you want to watch Beckham, Sanchez, Micah and Trayce Thompson play everyday....but you will be back to 2007 again. Edited May 2, 2015 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Butter Parque @ May 2, 2015 -> 04:28 PM) If you really aren't in charge, why take the job? Its like Cashman, when the moves don't work, the fans blame the Steinbrenners, when they work out well, it was a shrewd move by Cash. He's got it made in the shade. Williams every chance he gets in interviews let you know he is final decision maker. KW still has finger in everything and does not have to answer for day to day crap. KW my friend has it made in the shade, JR biggest fault is loyalty he never cuts ties soon enough. Edited May 2, 2015 by Soxfest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 What organization would desperately want Shark that we could rob blind in return? It's time to start planning some big-time trades and Hahn has to win all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ May 2, 2015 -> 10:24 PM) I can't really blame Hahn too much, literally everyone is underperforming, even guys like Sale and Quintana. I can't really hold him too responsible when nearly everyone is on pace for their career-worst season. If every single person is underperforming, thats on you. Most teams don't have every player underperforming. Bad teams have underperforming players. Bad teams have GM's that don't stay long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 2, 2015 -> 09:30 PM) There's no trade market the first week of May. Robertson being traded...means they're rebuilding again, which they cannot afford to do. And the return (die to his salary) wont be great unless there are 2-3 closers from contending teams all down simultaneously. Alexei looks older. LaRoche and Cabrera cant be moved, and Danks will just be salary relief. If you want to watch Beckham, Sanchez, Micah and Trayce Thompson play everyday....but you will be back to 2007 again. I think they can afford to rebuild. s***, these veteran laden teams can't sniff .500. The Twins are .500. Fans will still come to see Abreu and the team will probably be better anyway during rebuilding than it is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Hahn inherited arguably the worst overall org wide talent pool in mlb thanks to kW. Give it time. He also inherited a brain dead manager. Time to hire his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 QUOTE (Soxfest @ May 2, 2015 -> 10:30 PM) Williams every chance he gets in interviews let you know he is final decision maker. KW still has finger in everything and does not have to answer for day to day crap. KW my friend has it made in the shade, Maybe, but the fan base still blames KW. If Hahn can have the title of GM and not be blamed for any of the s***ty moves made, he too has it made in the shade. Sorry, I'm through calling the guy a good GM when he hasn't won s*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ May 2, 2015 -> 03:30 PM) What organization would desperately want Shark that we could rob blind in return? It's time to start planning some big-time trades and Hahn has to win all of them. The Cubs, lol. Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, Giants, Cardinals, Blue Jays...if Paxton and Walker dont turn things around, Seattle. Detroit if Verlander's out through the All-Star break. Edited May 2, 2015 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ May 2, 2015 -> 10:32 PM) I think they can afford to rebuild. s***, these veteran laden teams can't sniff .500. The Twins are .500. Fans will still come to see Abreu and the team will probably be better anyway during rebuilding than it is now. No one will come watch this boring team. Good thing season tix sales were strong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 What is so hard about going on the road and beating Minnesota a game or two? Robin definitely could be fired after tomorrow's loss and nobody would see it as an over-reaction. Just for comedy sake I'd love to see Coop get the rest of the season then we hire Gardy or Leyland this offseason to work with our totally revamped team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ May 2, 2015 -> 10:32 PM) Hahn inherited arguably the worst overall org wide talent pool in mlb thanks to kW. Give it time. He also inherited a brain dead manager. Time to hire his own. I agree and I give him leeway, but its one thing to lose because your talent isnt up-to-par, its whole other thing to lose by playing the worst fundamental baseball I've seen on an MLB diamond. Hahn went halfway in. He went out and traded young players for Shark, he signed Robby to a huge contract, but left absolute black holes throughout the roster. Not to mention, Avi Garcia doesn't look to be the player Hahn hoped to acquire.Thats on him. I'd have rather had Iglesias in the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Hahn could have had half a dozen gm jobs. If he doesn't have final say he should move on. The laroche move especially and the shark trade reek of kW meddling. LA Roche is the most kW free agent ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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