Who can the Sox sell?

[southsider2k5]

Fredbird made fun of me in St. Louis. That damn bird!

 

I had it out with the old opera singing hot dog vendor in Detroit. I still hate that guy.

[Feeky Magee]

I'd be careful getting so cocky in here about the Sox not being sellers. They've given up 30 more runs than they've scored.

[greg775]

A Giants fan in L.A. and a Yankees fan in Boston or vice versa is in more danger than Sox on Sox chippiness. But yes I have also been harassed although in stadium not to the point of being followed and harassed.

 

It was during a Sox/Dodgers game with my 2 children ,who were visiting from Arizona (their home with their mother) and my father (visiting from Chicago) a very rare occurrence that all 4 of us were in the same place together. So odd that just rooting for your team in a foreign stadium and wearing the colors can provoke people to harass a man with his children and their grandfather. Young men can be so irrational. Nothing major happened thankfully but what should 've been an enjoyable time ended up pissing me off .

 

Man, what a story. Very sad that this goes on in sports stadiums. Let's face it. Sports are not healthy in many ways. Obsessed fans threatening people; riots after teams win (or lose) championship games. Very sick when sports fans go to extremes. I mean your story is amazing. A grandpa and little kids and fans still freak out just cause you are wearing the opponents' jersey? f***brains.

[Feeky Magee]

I'd be careful getting so cocky in here about the Sox not being sellers. They've given up 30 more runs than they've scored.

Yup

[oldsox]

A Giants fan in L.A. and a Yankees fan in Boston or vice versa is in more danger than Sox on Sox chippiness. But yes I have also been harassed although in stadium not to the point of being followed and harassed.

 

It was during a Sox/Dodgers game with my 2 children ,who were visiting from Arizona (their home with their mother) and my father (visiting from Chicago) a very rare occurrence that all 4 of us were in the same place together. So odd that just rooting for your team in a foreign stadium and wearing the colors can provoke people to harass a man with his children and their grandfather. Young men can be so irrational. Nothing major happened thankfully but what should 've been an enjoyable time ended up pissing me off .

Man, that's an awful story, but oh so believable. That's where that unfortunate dude got maimed because he wore a Giants hat. I hope your kids came through it okay.

[LDF]

 

sell??? how bout the sox start their annual dumpster diving acquisitions. with all the players getting DFA or release. no one is going to tell me, there isn't a replacement or 2 that can help the org, esp getting rid of Penny.

[southsider2k5]

sell??? how bout the sox start their annual dumpster diving acquisitions. with all the players getting DFA or release. no one is going to tell me, there isn't a replacement or 2 that can help the org, esp getting rid of Penny.

 

The Sox are getting nothing for Brad Penny.

[LDF]

The Sox are getting nothing for Brad Penny.

 

sorry, my bad,

 

i meant for the sox to pick up some one to replace Penny.

[BlackSox13]

Samardzija is pitching better and as long as he continues to do so he should bring back a decent return.

 

Color me overly optimistic but I think Alexei will heat up with the weather and turn himself into a trade candidate. Might fetch a decent return.

 

That's about it as far as significant returns by trade, excluding core players like Sale, Q, Rodon, Abreu, Robertson and Avi.

 

Just have to weather the storm Sox fans.

[Lillian]

Samardzija is pitching better and as long as he continues to do so he should bring back a decent return.

 

Color me overly optimistic but I think Alexei will heat up with the weather and turn himself into a trade candidate. Might fetch a decent return.

 

That's about it as far as significant returns by trade, excluding core players like Sale, Q, Rodon, Abreu, Robertson and Avi.

 

Just have to weather the storm Sox fans.

 

Samardzija is the obvious move for the front office. They could always resign him, as a free agent, in the off season, if they really think they want him back.

My question is how much better would the return be, if they agree to pay all of his remaining salary, for this season. This organization could really use some more

good prospects. Have you looked at how our Minor League players are hitting? Just dreadful!!!

Edited May 28, 2015 by Lillian

[cabiness42]

The Sox are not making any trades that are going to bring back substantial assets.

 

Samardzija nets a comp pick if he does not re-sign, so that ups the asking price beyond what any team is going to be willing to pay.

 

Anybody else that might get traded (Beckahm, Soto, Ramirez, Bonifacio, Danks) isn't netting much of a return.

[SCCWS]

Samardzija is pitching better and as long as he continues to do so he should bring back a decent return.

 

Color me overly optimistic but I think Alexei will heat up with the weather and turn himself into a trade candidate. Might fetch a decent return.

 

That's about it as far as significant returns by trade, excluding core players like Sale, Q, Rodon, Abreu, Robertson and Avi.

 

Just have to weather the storm Sox fans.

 

You can trade Alexei but it may be a better investment to keep him. Who plays SS once he is gone. Unless you trade him ( or Shark) for a SS ML ready prospect, it may be better holding and letting the Charlotte infielders continue to develop. We have already learned that Sanchez and Johnson both needed more time in AAA before they were pushed into ML playing time.

 

[WBWSF]

1) I would rather sign Shark to a long term deal. A rotation of Sale, Shark, Rodon, and Quintana solves alot of problems going into 2016. We need a 5th starter.

2) Alexi is 34 years old. You're not going to much for him. Unless they just want to get rid of his salary, it doesn't make any sense to trade him for nothing.

[SCCWS]

1) I would rather sign Shark to a long term deal. A rotation of Sale, Shark, Rodon, and Quintana solves alot of problems going into 2016. We need a 5th starter.

2) Alexi is 34 years old. You're not going to much for him. Unless they just want to get rid of his salary, it doesn't make any sense to trade him for nothing.

 

I agree with you but it might mean 2016 is another year w/o playoff contention. Maybe you re-sign Shark and trade Q. But the Sox have to improve the roster. There are too many holes-C-2B-3B-LF-CF to really compete. Maybe somebody becomes a ML prospect as the Charlotte season goes on, but right now there may be no relief in sight. You are probably stuck w LF and you have to hope Eaton bounces back. So hopefully you sign 1 free agent and trade Q for a position player and a pitching prospect. My gut tells me you sign another catcher and hope you find someone who can at least be average.

Edited May 28, 2015 by SCCWS

[LDF]

 

trading Shark is seriously will not be the right move. i do not know what team will be willing to pay a king's ransom to get him. esp considering what the sox gave up for him. he is better off playing out the yr with the sox and see this team goes.

 

ref Alexi, age and playing ability is the key word. plus will anderson be ready next yr. lets not look into hoping for the best case, like they did with Micah and Sanchez. the actually knowledge that anderson is ready to play everyday in the majors.

 

so who to sell, i am going to be really harsh here.

 

Davidson, Hawkin, Sanburn, EJ for whatever, May, Engel ..... i will trade them for comp picks or int'l slot money.

 

 

[BlackSox13]

Samardzija is the obvious move for the front office. They could always resign him, as a free agent, in the off season, if they really think they want him back.

My question is how much better would the return be, if they agree to pay all of his remaining salary, for this season. This organization could really use some more

good prospects. Have you looked at how our Minor League players are hitting? Just dreadful!!!

I could be wrong but I don't see the Sox giving money with Samardzija in a trade no matter what. If the Sox don't like the trade offers for Shark they simply keep him and take the comp pick in next years draft if he does not resign.

 

I agree that overall the minors are dreadful as far as hitters go. There are a few guys worth getting excited over but overall it's unimpressive.

 

Trading Shark and/or Alexei will not replenish the farm, they just do not hold that kind of value. The only way is for the Sox to entertain the idea of trading one or more of their core players which I doubt happens.

 

Like I said, just have to ride it out and see what winter brings.

 

You can trade Alexei but it may be a better investment to keep him. Who plays SS once he is gone. Unless you trade him ( or Shark) for a SS ML ready prospect, it may be better holding and letting the Charlotte infielders continue to develop. We have already learned that Sanchez and Johnson both needed more time in AAA before they were pushed into ML playing time.

Alexei has been declining for a while now. If the Sox are not going to compete this year then keeping Alexei does nothing. Keep him for next year as he continues to decline? No thanks, I'll hand the SS position to Sanchez and see what he can do with it for the remainder of the season in order to get a better idea of what needs to be done over winter in preparation for next season.

 

1) I would rather sign Shark to a long term deal. A rotation of Sale, Shark, Rodon, and Quintana solves alot of problems going into 2016. We need a 5th starter.

2) Alexi is 34 years old. You're not going to much for him. Unless they just want to get rid of his salary, it doesn't make any sense to trade him for nothing.

Its going to cost 100M+ for Sharks next contract, thanks but definitely no thanks.

 

Holding onto a declining 34 yo SS makes even less sense on a non competitive team. Last winter was the time to trade Alexei, his value has done nothing but drop since. The time for a good return on Alexei has passed so take what you can get for him and move forward.

Edited May 28, 2015 by StRoostifer

[SCCWS]

Alexei has been declining for a while now. If the Sox are not going to compete this year then keeping Alexei does nothing. Keep him for next year as he continues to decline? No thanks, I'll hand the SS position to Sanchez and see what he can do with it for the remainder of the season in order to get a better idea of what needs to be done over winter in preparation for next season.

 

 

 

Holding onto a declining 34 yo SS makes even less sense on a non competitive team. Last winter was the time to trade Alexei, his value had done nothing but drop since. The time for a good return on Alexei has passed so take what you can get for him and move forward.

But it can be

 

But again, you move Sanchez to SS, which was not his primary position in the minors, when he pretty much has shown he needs time in AAA as his bat and walk/SO ratio is horrible. If that is what Hahn is thinking, they should have stuck w Johnson and played Sanchez at SS in Charlotte until Alexei could be moved. Then you have to bring up another infielder to play 2B or play Gordon full time. Playing young players when they really belong in the minors can cause long-term problems for some kids.

[LDF]

But it can be

 

But again, you move Sanchez to SS, which was not his primary position in the minors, when he pretty much has shown he needs time in AAA as his bat and walk/SO ratio is horrible. If that is what Hahn is thinking, they should have stuck w Johnson and played Sanchez at SS in Charlotte until Alexei could be moved. Then you have to bring up another infielder to play 2B or play Gordon full time. Playing young players when they really belong in the minors can cause long-term problems for some kids.

 

exactly, for how bad Alexei is on offense, at least right now, he stabilize the defense right now. there is no one in the farm that can come up and replace him.

[BlackSox13]

But it can be

 

But again, you move Sanchez to SS, which was not his primary position in the minors, when he pretty much has shown he needs time in AAA as his bat and walk/SO ratio is horrible. If that is what Hahn is thinking, they should have stuck w Johnson and played Sanchez at SS in Charlotte until Alexei could be moved. Then you have to bring up another infielder to play 2B or play Gordon full time. Playing young players when they really belong in the minors can cause long-term problems for some kids.

IMO, Sanchez belongs on the Sox, at least long enough to see what he can do. Sanchez also has the range and strong enough arm to play SS plus he has youth on his side. Alexei has been declining in every aspect of his game. Just take a look at some of the game threads lately, lots of complaints about bone headed mistakes made by Alexei.

 

Problem with the idea of trading Alexei is his lack of value. He will not net much of a return but then again, an aging and declining SS does not hold much value to a teams future either which is why I have no problem moving on from Alexei.

[GreenSox]

Maybe Ramirez, LaRoche, Bonifacio, Samardzija, etc just to name a few. Who do you think the Sox will trade if they decide to sell?

Plenty

Laroche (Cardinals)

Samardzija (numerous teams).

Alexei

Duke

All would bring value

Sign samardzija in the offseason if we want (although he isn't an ace)

 

Trading Shark and/or Alexei will not replenish the farm, they just do not hold that kind of value. The only way is for the Sox to entertain the idea of trading one or more of their core players which I doubt happens.

 

Like I said, just have to ride it out and see what winter brings.

They absolutely would bring value. "rebuild the farm" of course not. Value? Yes. Waiting until winter further diminishes value - there are contenders now who need a SS.

Edited May 28, 2015 by GreenSox

[gatnom]

If the Sox end up selling, I'd be shocked if they traded Alexei. Anderson looks to be more than a year away, and since I don't think Alexei has much value, there's no point in trading him away for a prospect that doesn't have much of a chance of impacting the team. They're not going to be completely tearing this thing down no matter what happens this season.

 

 

 

 

[LDF]

If the Sox end up selling, I'd be shocked if they traded Alexei. Anderson looks to be more than a year away, and since I don't think Alexei has much value, there's no point in trading him away for a prospect that doesn't have much of a chance of impacting the team. They're not going to be completely tearing this thing down no matter what happens this season.

 

excellent point. i agree.

[BlackSox13]

Plenty

Laroche (Cardinals)

Samardzija (numerous teams).

Alexei

Duke

All would bring value

Sign samardzija in the offseason if we want (although he isn't an ace)

 

 

They absolutely would bring value. "rebuild the farm" of course not. Value? Yes. Waiting until winter further diminishes value - there are contenders now who need a SS.

If you were the GM of a contending team, just how much would you give up for an aging/declining SS or a starting pitcher that got off to a bad start and will only be a two or three month rental?

 

IMO, I would not be willing to give up much for either one of them if I were a GM looking to upgrade. Let's also keep in mind that fans almost always over value their teams players.

 

 

[LDF]

If you were the GM of a contending team, just how much would you give up for an aging/declining SS or a starting pitcher that got off to a bad start and will only be a two or three month rental?

 

IMO, I would not be willing to give up much for either one of them if I were a GM looking to upgrade. Let's also keep in mind that fans almost always over value their teams players.

 

re a team that needs a pitcher. now that is the wild card in this discussion. many teams, contending teams do trade for a pitcher for that playoff run.

 

the intangible is, how good of a chance will that team will do in the playoff?

 

lets look at Hou, they do have a chance to do nicely, right now, it not even mid season. but they might offer a crap load to get a pitcher like Shark, now that, his beginning of the season constant problems is over.

[Balta1701]

re a team that needs a pitcher. now that is the wild card in this discussion. many teams, contending teams do trade for a pitcher for that playoff run.

 

the intangible is, how good of a chance will that team will do in the playoff?

 

lets look at Hou, they do have a chance to do nicely, right now, it not even mid season. but they might offer a crap load to get a pitcher like Shark, now that, his beginning of the season constant problems is over.

If teams are going to "offer a crap load" to get a pitcher...there's a problem for us. Actually 2. Hamels and Cueto...both are better pitchers than Samardzija and both are likely available if teams are willing to make a major offer.